These Losers and “molester friendly” bums have decided yet another slogan and another twisted way of showing their support for the pedophile community. So let’s see.
He is a liar! He is a Liar! That does not work anymore, the media is on to it and there are people being arrested every day, and the streets are getting cleaner by the day, and everyone sees that Rabbi Nuchem is speeaking the truth.
The rabunim said NO to him! Does not work very well either anymore. There are rabunim who show their support for him and we showed you Halacha that you MUST go to the police. And after the quick one that the rabunim pulled on Weingarten and similar ones, their respect and value went down the drain.
Oh My GOD! What are we going to do! We can’t let nuchem get away with it! Quickly quickly lets think of something…………………Oh I got it: He abuses innocent people! That has been the cry for the last week! We want the molesters arrested, but HIS way is no good, he goes after innocent people!
Baloney! Hogwash! Nonsense! Hot air!
This guys have one thing on their mind and that is to protect molesters! Moreover, they don’t even hide it! Look at their blog and look who they defend! Every single molester and abuser is defended on their filthy blog. So spin it anyway you want, its not going to help you, and the more you talk the bigger of a fool you are making out of yourselves.
Ok guys, please bring it on! However, be forewarned, I will answer on everything you wrote on that other blog! Just bring on who you want and I will respond. You want Ashkenazi? You want Hanstater? You want Reichman? Tell me who you want and bring me the innocent people! Bring me ALL your innocent that Rabbi Nuchem hurt.
Now I know you will come up with something else, but I will be right here waiting for you and respond! Let the whole world see what kind of fools you are, and let every one know that Rabbi Nuchem is here to stay until the community is clean!
IN closing: Since I am dealing with morons who repeat the same dribble all day, and have no respect whatsoever, I am going to MODERATE the comments with the following options: I will allow every single comment to be posted (positive or negative) as long as its written with respect! And not repeated on every single post! You do not like it, that is tough! You abused the system and that is how it will work.
Now bring me on the innocent you fools!
Tuesday, August 31, 2010
No No NO! No problem here!
KIRYAS JOEL - Shlomo Weiss grew up in Kiryas Joel, a rural Orthodox-Jewish town, and says that he was sexually abused starting at the age of 7, adding that the abuse was regularly covered up by others in the close-knit community.
Now 36 years old and living in Brooklyn, Weiss says that in a horrifying twist, his abuser was the one man who should've been protecting him -- his father.
It would be nine long years before Weiss would seek help, revealing his secret to his school teachers and to the head rabbi at the Nitra Yeshiva in Mount Kisco, where he was studying.
Instead of calling police, however, Weiss says he was sent to study in Europe and then pressured into an arranged marriage at the age of 19. Meanwhile, Weiss' father remained free, working as a school bus driver.
Weiss recently visited the Westchester campus of his yeshiva to demand answers. His former teacher admitted to remembering his story, but said their community is resistant to outside involvement when handling sex abuse cases.
"For them, it's easier not to acknowledge a problem exists," Weiss says.
Advocates say Weiss' story is much more common than people might think.
"I don't think there's any community on Earth that has this percentage of people victimized," says Ben Hirsch, of Survivors for Justice.
Hirsch's Manhattan-based group is dedicated to helping ultra-Orthodox Jewish victims of sexual abuse. Hirsch believes there are thousands of them, yet their cases seldom end up in court because a rabbi's permission is needed to call police.
Over the past 30 years, there has been only one Hassidic man from Kiryas Joel who was convicted of a sex crime. Most pedophiles, however, are simply expelled out of the community, Hirsch says.
However, Ari Felberman, the public relations director for Kiryas Joel, denies all allegations of covering up sexual abuse cases.
Following his interview with News 12, Weiss confronted his father about the alleged abuse, to which Joseph Weiss responded with silence and stormed away. Still, Shlomo Weiss says the experience has left him a changed man. He hopes it will encourage other victims to speak up.
Rabbi of YOUR choice.
The Rabbunim put him into Cheirem (Isolation), the Rabbunim said he is evil; Rabbi Nuchem is not listening to the Rabunim! He is against the Rabbunim!
I just had to respond to this constant sob these people are crying! Let’s face it, they are only saying this, because they don’t have an answer to the REAL ISSUES at hand. Nevertheless, let me educate you about the original “Kol Koreh” that was signed against Rabbi Nuchem, and how it transpired, I will give you facts, so that you can verify from its original source! And let me show you the reason they did this Kol Koreh!
#1. Just like any other Kol Koreh out there, (like an issur on a Lipa Shcmelzer concert, or support for convicted molester and rapist Weingarten), these Rabbunim have no clue on what they sign, or even what the Kol Koreh says, It’s a typical “Blind follow the Sightless” kind of action!
#2. The Viener ruv, The Pupa ruv and The Tzehlimer ruv Shlit"a, refused to sign that Kol Koreh. because they were THE ONLY ONES with guts to actually phone Rabbi Nuchem and discuss the issue with him, and consequently refused to sign.
#3. I personally spoke to TWO Rabbis who did sign this letter, and they regret and resent it, they are extremely sorry that they ever signed it, they admit taht they were manipulated by Yitzchok Stern.
#4. Today's Rabbis have no idea what’s happening on the streets nor what’s happening in their own communities. These Kol Koreh’s are ALWAYS initiated by individuals with personal agendas, and they take these Rabbis hostages!
#5. Not one halacha was followed when this action was taken! In essence this action is worthless and baseless!
By the way, before I continue to elaborate on the subject, let me ask: how come there was not one Rabbi that supported Baruch Lebowitz? You always ask why Rabbi Nuchem does not have Rabbis on his side, where are your Rabbis? And to those wondering, why I bring up Lebowitz all the time? Very simple! Because all the comments on here (Which is still not moderated) are by the same 3 people in the Lebowitz family! So since they ask the questions, I respond in kind.
Let me elaborate a little bit on how today's Rabbis work, so you will understand why we need Rabbi Nuchem to stand up for us, and that we need a voice, when no one else is willing to stand up for the truth and for the kids.
Let’s not forget the bottom line. At the end of the day there is one issue at hand, and that is to protect the kids from the molesters. You probably wonder how come in the past 25 years we have not had any molesters in the community and no arrests in the schools and suddenly in the last two years, we nebach hear every week of a new culprit.
The answer is very simple: The problem was always there, the molesters didn’t all of a sudden start molesting in 2006, they have been doing it for years and years, but they felt right at home. You see, in the secular world it’s a whole process, you have to stakeout a park where the child plays, kidnap him, and find a hotel room and then you can first molest him. In our community, all you have to do, is go to the mikvah on Friday afternoon and BABOOM! You got everything handed to you on a silver platter! you get the naked boy, you get a place where to commit your deplorable acts, and you get the Rabbunim turning their faces to the other side, better yet, you take a job as a melamed (school teacher), — unlike the secular world, where you need an education and diploma to qualify for this position — and you got even better access to the kid you desire, there are no background-checks on these teachers; you don't need any qualifications you to become a melamed, you just apply for the job and you agree to the pay check and you are a melamed.
So along came Rabbi Nuchem and he started demanding action! He insisted on responsibilities, on being held accountable for your actions and asked for guidelines on who should qualify to be a school teacher, so the principals of the schools and the Rabbis of the communities went haywire, they became histerical, they realized that this guy is going to reveal the truth of what’s happening in OUR schools and in OUR mikvahs and in OUR communities! So instead of realizing that they made a mistake and that there was open house for every rapist and molester, and now they have an opportunity to fix it, they went on the offensive! claiming: Everything here is OK! We don’t need your help! We have no problem!
However, Rabbi Nuchem knew that it is not OK! And that these little kids have no voice talking for them, and he started exposing and announcing to the whole world that this is not acceptable, and the more he exposed them, more people came forward and they started telling horror stories of years and years of abuse!
These principals had a big problem! They were being exposed! They couldn’t afford to let the whole world see this. So the million dollar question was: What are we to do? How do we shut up this Nuchem guy? That’s how that Kol Koreh came all about.
Kol Koreh – Yitzchok stern
Years ago, The Sigheter Ruv (Rabbi Moshe Teitelbaum) was involved in a “Get” (divorce procedure), he represented one side, and the other side was represented by Rabbi Landesman of Monsey. Rabbi Landesman was involved in finalizeing the divorce papers and the sigheter Ruv was not too happy about it, and made noise that it is an illegal “Get”. He phoned Rabbi Weiss (Minchas Yitzchak) in Israel and asked him to write a letter against this “get” but Rabbi Weiss refused, saying that Rabbi Landesman is the biggest authority in divorce issues, so he would not get involved in any action against him. So the Sigheter ruv went looking for support and found a Rabbi Stern (Father of Yitzchok) in Israel, and promised him the world if he will sign papers against Rabbi Landesman, included in the promise, was an agreement to bring his son Yitzchok to America and give him a job, so he signed and that was the end.
Yitzchok Stern was consequently named as a principal in the Satmar yeshiva and his additional duty was, being the “Modesty patrol” in the community. To make a long story short. Stern got involved with a group of people who “controlled the problems in the community” (Mishmeres ha'Tznius), and he was not very happy with Rabbi Nuchem's exposing all these problems in the community. He didn’t want to be undermined by someone else, and he didn’t want the world to realize that his organization does nothing, and mostly it was a money issue, people refused to give him the big "fines" that they constantly asked for, because they saw that all it is, is not more than a scam.
So Stern went all out against Rabbi Nuchem and tried to shut him up. (more to come on Stern and his dirty work and his filthy mouth.)
Who signed the Kol Koreh
Let’s backtrack a little bit about the Kol Koreh! Now that you know how this Kol Koreh came about, and how Stern manipulated every Ruv, let’s see who refused to sign it, and whose names were signed without their approval, and who was conned into signing it.
Did you ever wonder, why some serious Rabunnim refused to sign?
Viener Ruv Shlit"a
One Tuesday afternoon, Rabbi Nuchem gets a phone call from the Viener Ruv Shlita, asking him to please come over right away, for he has an important issue to discuss with him, Rabbi nuchem responded: Viener Ruv, I am now in a suburb of Atlanta, GA, I am building a mikvah, and can't come over now. The viener ruv asked him, when will you be back home? and Rabbi Nuchem answered "next week Friday morning", and the VienerRuv said: be by me 11am on Friday.
Friday morning, Rabbi Nuchem shows up at the Viener Ruv's apartment, the Ruv sent out his Gabbai, and tells Rabbi Nuchem, “I have been asked to sign a Kol Koreh against you, and I wanted to talk to you before I do so — would you please close your hotline, so we don’t need to put you in cheirem”, Rabbi Nuchem explained to viener Ruv why he runs this hotline and what he discusses there, and that he will bw more than happy to shut it, if the viener Ruv would replace him with another Ruv that will protect these innocent kinderlach … The conversation went on for 45 minutes, and the outcome was that the Viener Ruv declined to add his name to this Kol Koreh, because he knew that there is no basis to it. — if you really look which of the Rabbunim signed for it, you will see the complete picture of it.
Tzehlimer Ruv and Pupa Ruv Repeatly asked Stern for tapes of Rabbi Nuchem's hotline and they were pushed off with answers, like: tomorrow! next week! You are not allowed to listen to it! Of course they didn’t sign it!
Rabbi Gold from Monsey has openly regretted the signature, and sent many people to Rabbi Nuchem to let him know about it.
Rabbi Flohr acknowledged publicly that his signature was misused!
Rabbi Portugal from Montreal (who is related to Stern) has said on record, that his signature was falsified.
Listen up rabbis, and Listen Real Good!
Rabbi Nuchem is here to stay! Rabbi Nuchem is not going anywhere! Rabbi nuchem has the courage that none of you have, and Rabbi nuchem will continue his holy work until every single block in our community is safe! And Rabbi Nuchem has support from Rabbis who are encouraging him to do an “Aderabah" (see Yoreh Deah Siman 4334 ) on ALL OF YOU!
This is just the beginning of the exposé, you can start to have a glimpse of how this community is run, and what these Rabunim are all about
I just had to respond to this constant sob these people are crying! Let’s face it, they are only saying this, because they don’t have an answer to the REAL ISSUES at hand. Nevertheless, let me educate you about the original “Kol Koreh” that was signed against Rabbi Nuchem, and how it transpired, I will give you facts, so that you can verify from its original source! And let me show you the reason they did this Kol Koreh!
#1. Just like any other Kol Koreh out there, (like an issur on a Lipa Shcmelzer concert, or support for convicted molester and rapist Weingarten), these Rabbunim have no clue on what they sign, or even what the Kol Koreh says, It’s a typical “Blind follow the Sightless” kind of action!
#2. The Viener ruv, The Pupa ruv and The Tzehlimer ruv Shlit"a, refused to sign that Kol Koreh. because they were THE ONLY ONES with guts to actually phone Rabbi Nuchem and discuss the issue with him, and consequently refused to sign.
#3. I personally spoke to TWO Rabbis who did sign this letter, and they regret and resent it, they are extremely sorry that they ever signed it, they admit taht they were manipulated by Yitzchok Stern.
#4. Today's Rabbis have no idea what’s happening on the streets nor what’s happening in their own communities. These Kol Koreh’s are ALWAYS initiated by individuals with personal agendas, and they take these Rabbis hostages!
#5. Not one halacha was followed when this action was taken! In essence this action is worthless and baseless!
By the way, before I continue to elaborate on the subject, let me ask: how come there was not one Rabbi that supported Baruch Lebowitz? You always ask why Rabbi Nuchem does not have Rabbis on his side, where are your Rabbis? And to those wondering, why I bring up Lebowitz all the time? Very simple! Because all the comments on here (Which is still not moderated) are by the same 3 people in the Lebowitz family! So since they ask the questions, I respond in kind.
Let me elaborate a little bit on how today's Rabbis work, so you will understand why we need Rabbi Nuchem to stand up for us, and that we need a voice, when no one else is willing to stand up for the truth and for the kids.
Let’s not forget the bottom line. At the end of the day there is one issue at hand, and that is to protect the kids from the molesters. You probably wonder how come in the past 25 years we have not had any molesters in the community and no arrests in the schools and suddenly in the last two years, we nebach hear every week of a new culprit.
The answer is very simple: The problem was always there, the molesters didn’t all of a sudden start molesting in 2006, they have been doing it for years and years, but they felt right at home. You see, in the secular world it’s a whole process, you have to stakeout a park where the child plays, kidnap him, and find a hotel room and then you can first molest him. In our community, all you have to do, is go to the mikvah on Friday afternoon and BABOOM! You got everything handed to you on a silver platter! you get the naked boy, you get a place where to commit your deplorable acts, and you get the Rabbunim turning their faces to the other side, better yet, you take a job as a melamed (school teacher), — unlike the secular world, where you need an education and diploma to qualify for this position — and you got even better access to the kid you desire, there are no background-checks on these teachers; you don't need any qualifications you to become a melamed, you just apply for the job and you agree to the pay check and you are a melamed.
So along came Rabbi Nuchem and he started demanding action! He insisted on responsibilities, on being held accountable for your actions and asked for guidelines on who should qualify to be a school teacher, so the principals of the schools and the Rabbis of the communities went haywire, they became histerical, they realized that this guy is going to reveal the truth of what’s happening in OUR schools and in OUR mikvahs and in OUR communities! So instead of realizing that they made a mistake and that there was open house for every rapist and molester, and now they have an opportunity to fix it, they went on the offensive! claiming: Everything here is OK! We don’t need your help! We have no problem!
However, Rabbi Nuchem knew that it is not OK! And that these little kids have no voice talking for them, and he started exposing and announcing to the whole world that this is not acceptable, and the more he exposed them, more people came forward and they started telling horror stories of years and years of abuse!
These principals had a big problem! They were being exposed! They couldn’t afford to let the whole world see this. So the million dollar question was: What are we to do? How do we shut up this Nuchem guy? That’s how that Kol Koreh came all about.
Kol Koreh – Yitzchok stern
Years ago, The Sigheter Ruv (Rabbi Moshe Teitelbaum) was involved in a “Get” (divorce procedure), he represented one side, and the other side was represented by Rabbi Landesman of Monsey. Rabbi Landesman was involved in finalizeing the divorce papers and the sigheter Ruv was not too happy about it, and made noise that it is an illegal “Get”. He phoned Rabbi Weiss (Minchas Yitzchak) in Israel and asked him to write a letter against this “get” but Rabbi Weiss refused, saying that Rabbi Landesman is the biggest authority in divorce issues, so he would not get involved in any action against him. So the Sigheter ruv went looking for support and found a Rabbi Stern (Father of Yitzchok) in Israel, and promised him the world if he will sign papers against Rabbi Landesman, included in the promise, was an agreement to bring his son Yitzchok to America and give him a job, so he signed and that was the end.
Yitzchok Stern was consequently named as a principal in the Satmar yeshiva and his additional duty was, being the “Modesty patrol” in the community. To make a long story short. Stern got involved with a group of people who “controlled the problems in the community” (Mishmeres ha'Tznius), and he was not very happy with Rabbi Nuchem's exposing all these problems in the community. He didn’t want to be undermined by someone else, and he didn’t want the world to realize that his organization does nothing, and mostly it was a money issue, people refused to give him the big "fines" that they constantly asked for, because they saw that all it is, is not more than a scam.
So Stern went all out against Rabbi Nuchem and tried to shut him up. (more to come on Stern and his dirty work and his filthy mouth.)
Who signed the Kol Koreh
Let’s backtrack a little bit about the Kol Koreh! Now that you know how this Kol Koreh came about, and how Stern manipulated every Ruv, let’s see who refused to sign it, and whose names were signed without their approval, and who was conned into signing it.
Did you ever wonder, why some serious Rabunnim refused to sign?
Viener Ruv Shlit"a
One Tuesday afternoon, Rabbi Nuchem gets a phone call from the Viener Ruv Shlita, asking him to please come over right away, for he has an important issue to discuss with him, Rabbi nuchem responded: Viener Ruv, I am now in a suburb of Atlanta, GA, I am building a mikvah, and can't come over now. The viener ruv asked him, when will you be back home? and Rabbi Nuchem answered "next week Friday morning", and the VienerRuv said: be by me 11am on Friday.
Friday morning, Rabbi Nuchem shows up at the Viener Ruv's apartment, the Ruv sent out his Gabbai, and tells Rabbi Nuchem, “I have been asked to sign a Kol Koreh against you, and I wanted to talk to you before I do so — would you please close your hotline, so we don’t need to put you in cheirem”, Rabbi Nuchem explained to viener Ruv why he runs this hotline and what he discusses there, and that he will bw more than happy to shut it, if the viener Ruv would replace him with another Ruv that will protect these innocent kinderlach … The conversation went on for 45 minutes, and the outcome was that the Viener Ruv declined to add his name to this Kol Koreh, because he knew that there is no basis to it. — if you really look which of the Rabbunim signed for it, you will see the complete picture of it.
Tzehlimer Ruv and Pupa Ruv Repeatly asked Stern for tapes of Rabbi Nuchem's hotline and they were pushed off with answers, like: tomorrow! next week! You are not allowed to listen to it! Of course they didn’t sign it!
Rabbi Gold from Monsey has openly regretted the signature, and sent many people to Rabbi Nuchem to let him know about it.
Rabbi Flohr acknowledged publicly that his signature was misused!
Rabbi Portugal from Montreal (who is related to Stern) has said on record, that his signature was falsified.
Listen up rabbis, and Listen Real Good!
Rabbi Nuchem is here to stay! Rabbi Nuchem is not going anywhere! Rabbi nuchem has the courage that none of you have, and Rabbi nuchem will continue his holy work until every single block in our community is safe! And Rabbi Nuchem has support from Rabbis who are encouraging him to do an “Aderabah" (see Yoreh Deah Siman 4334 ) on ALL OF YOU!
This is just the beginning of the exposé, you can start to have a glimpse of how this community is run, and what these Rabunim are all about
Monday, August 30, 2010
Jewish law on Molesters
A Halacha Shiur given by Rabbi Elchonon Tauber Shlita, on the topic of, "A Child Molester" and how to deal with him according to Jewish law..
(If you are having problems watching the video in full speed, kindly double click on the video, and you will be taken to the YouTube link itself, where the memory and speed are much quicker)
Please be aware that for the first 10-12 minutes of the shiur, the audio quality is very low, but then it gets much better. The audio quality is low but not distorted. You can hear it, but you must make the volume higher than usual.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
(If you are having problems watching the video in full speed, kindly double click on the video, and you will be taken to the YouTube link itself, where the memory and speed are much quicker)
Please be aware that for the first 10-12 minutes of the shiur, the audio quality is very low, but then it gets much better. The audio quality is low but not distorted. You can hear it, but you must make the volume higher than usual.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Sunday, August 29, 2010
Shameful! Shameful! אוי מה היה לנו
What a CHILLUL HASHEM! ועמך כולם צדיקים
The following clip was played at a meeting inside a local church in NY. I was humiliated to watch it and as a frum Jew I burst out in tears and showed it to a local rabbi, and he said “They are anti-Semites” I was dumbfounded!
Hey Rabbis, you are fooling no one, the whole world sees what’s going on here! Take a stand! Make a Kiddush hashem! Do something! Don’t keep covering up everything. It’s embarrassing!
The following clip was played at a meeting inside a local church in NY. I was humiliated to watch it and as a frum Jew I burst out in tears and showed it to a local rabbi, and he said “They are anti-Semites” I was dumbfounded!
Hey Rabbis, you are fooling no one, the whole world sees what’s going on here! Take a stand! Make a Kiddush hashem! Do something! Don’t keep covering up everything. It’s embarrassing!
Back in session.
It seems that Bes-Din is back in session in Israel. Maybe they will start giving all the punishments to all sinners the way its written in the Torah.
Click on the following link http://beta1.shofar-tv.com/player.php?id=421 and see how Bes-Din is giving 39 lashes to a guy who sang for a “mixed crowd” so I think its only right to stone the molesters and kill the משכב זכר sinners! Lets follow the TORAH to its core!
‘Sinner’ singer given 39 lashes by rabbis
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
08/27/2010 02:45
A singer who performed in front of a “mixed audience” of men and women was lashed 39 times to make him “repent,” after a ruling by a self-described rabbinic court on Wednesday.
Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak, founder of the Shofar organization aimed at bringing Jews “back to religion” has made it his recent mission to fight against musical performances for both men and women.
His “judicial panel,” with Rabbi Ben Zion Mutsafi and another member, sentenced Erez Yechiel to 39 lashes in order to “rid him of his sins.”
In a video clip of the court posted on the Shofar Web site, Ben Zion said that those who make others sin, such as artists who make men and women attend performances or dance together, have no place in the world to come.
He displayed a leather strip he said was made by his father from ass and bull skin, with which Yechiel was to have been whipped.
Yechiel, who said, “I accept upon myself the lashing for my sins,” was ordered to stand by a wooden poll with his head facing north (“from whence the evil inclination comes”), his hands tied with a azure-colored rope (“a symbol of mercy”), and served his “sentence.”
Baruch Lebowits! You got of easy with 32 years, you are lucky the Bes-din didn’t grab you, you would’ve gotten stoned!
Click on the following link http://beta1.shofar-tv.com/player.php?id=421 and see how Bes-Din is giving 39 lashes to a guy who sang for a “mixed crowd” so I think its only right to stone the molesters and kill the משכב זכר sinners! Lets follow the TORAH to its core!
‘Sinner’ singer given 39 lashes by rabbis
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
08/27/2010 02:45
A singer who performed in front of a “mixed audience” of men and women was lashed 39 times to make him “repent,” after a ruling by a self-described rabbinic court on Wednesday.
Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak, founder of the Shofar organization aimed at bringing Jews “back to religion” has made it his recent mission to fight against musical performances for both men and women.
His “judicial panel,” with Rabbi Ben Zion Mutsafi and another member, sentenced Erez Yechiel to 39 lashes in order to “rid him of his sins.”
In a video clip of the court posted on the Shofar Web site, Ben Zion said that those who make others sin, such as artists who make men and women attend performances or dance together, have no place in the world to come.
He displayed a leather strip he said was made by his father from ass and bull skin, with which Yechiel was to have been whipped.
Yechiel, who said, “I accept upon myself the lashing for my sins,” was ordered to stand by a wooden poll with his head facing north (“from whence the evil inclination comes”), his hands tied with a azure-colored rope (“a symbol of mercy”), and served his “sentence.”
Baruch Lebowits! You got of easy with 32 years, you are lucky the Bes-din didn’t grab you, you would’ve gotten stoned!
Saturday, August 28, 2010
Problem in OUR community? NO WAY!
I have gotten some letters (Emails) from people in the community thanking me for this blog, thanking me for exposing the problem we have, and for showing the world how important Rabbi Nuchem’s work is.
Some of this letters were also written with tears, pain, frustration and anger. It was written by victims, by people who are 15-20 years past the attacks and they are still tormented with tremendous pain and suffering.
On the advice of some professionals I have decided to publicize some of these letters (Of course I’ve changed the names to protect the victims, and I’ve spell checked the email) and I want you to see what suffering means. And if you think that this is a fiction novel, think again because it’s all real!
Letter 1
I am 23 years old. Ever since I was 8 up until I was 12 - 13 my father molested me. It wasn't a constant everyday thing, but he would do out of the normal things like tell me to sit on the hot tub and ask me if it felt good or touch my chest and bottom. He would also always want me to go swimming with him alone and I was never aloud to lock my bedroom door.
On several occasions he would smile and say that he thought I wanted to touch his penis or that he thought I was looking at it. I never was but it would shock and embarrass me when he would say those things and at the time being so young, I was afraid that if I told my mom the things he would say, that she would think that I was interested in touching him and be mad at me.
All of the chest touching and bottom pinching and smacking he did in front of my mother so I never really thought it was wrong. Then the last time it happened was when I was 12. My mother was pregnant and she had to be on rest bed.
One night she had been laying down and I had stayed up with him to play a board game with him like we sometimes did. All of a sudden he started rubbing on my stomach and moving up my shirt. He was touching me on my nipples and I was shocked and afraid to even move, but when he tried to go down my under pants, I jumped up and said that I had forgotten to call my friend about something for Yeshiva. I was so scared and I didn't want to tell my mom right away and stress her out. So I waited for awhile until after she had the baby. When I”Finally” told her, she called me a liar at first and said that I imagined it. She also said that I was too flat chested and he wouldn't have ever done that. She also went as far as saying that if I was telling the truth then she would run away and he would go to jail because of me. She also told me that it would mean we would lose our house among other things. I was scared and I didn't want all of those things to be my fault. She even called my grandmother ( My fathers mother) over and forced me to tell her everything. Then they all ganged up on me and told me how awful it was that I was lying. My mother has told me she asked him over and over but he denies it.
I know what happened. But my mother insists on telling me I'm crazy and that whenever I tell one of my other family members what happened, that I'm bad mouthing her and I'm just trying to rip her marriage apart. The last time she thought I told somebody, she immediately started saying I was lying and when they asked her what she was talking about she disclosed the whole story. When I told her that I hadn't told that person, that she did, she said that she was doing damage control. Fixing what I had probably said about them. Why would she have done that if she didn't at least suspect I was telling the truth? What am I supposed to do? I love my mother and I need her support. She keeps turning her back on me and picking his word over mine. I thought parents were supposed to believe their children. Like I said, I'm 23 now, I just had my second child, and my father holds the child like it never happened, and I crunch every time he looks at my little boy, and I refuse to back down and let him get away with this. I also have a 7 yr old little brother that I have to protect from him. How do I make my mother see that I'm telling the truth?
Thank you, Avigdor
Letter 2
When I was young I was molested by my grandfather. I didn't realize what was happening until I was older, and at that point it hadn't happened in more than a year, and he was extremely sick. He died around 2 years later. While I realize what he did was wrong, and disgusting, I have never really been angry about it, or afraid, or really effected by it at all.
Recently though, me and my husband were blessed with a beautiful baby girl, and I started having these horrible sinking feeling. I'm terrified of having kids and leaving them with someone else. I'm so absolutely horrified that what happened to me will happen to her. Even the idea of leaving them with my husband makes me feel sick. I don't know what to do. I want more kids, and I love and trust my family and his family but I can't seem to work my way through this.
I keep thinking 'well I’m sure my dad didn't think that his dad would ever do something like that.' No one in my family knows what happened, and I don't see the point in telling them and ruining their memories of him, but I really don't know what to do. I can't function with this hanging over my head...
Sincerely, Chayala
Letter 3
I want to apologize before-hand for the length of this message.
For starters, I love your blog, I am addicted to it and you are doing a great Mitzvah in helping the community, and perhaps avoiding future abuse.
For years now, on and off, I have thought of and been very distressed about a situation that happened when I was 8 or 9 years old. Whenever I think about it (which sometimes is very often) I become very depressed / angry with myself. I get upset that I've let it affect me. I don't why it started bothering me so many years later, but it just started bothering me.
Here is the story: Throughout my childhood, I was severely picked on, especially by children on my school bus. When I was 8 or 9, this “Watcher / Rabbi” on the bus decided to befriend me. He was much bigger than me, and all of the kids on the bus would were scared of him. He began talking to me, and somehow began talking to me about sexual body parts/activities. I was always very interested, because I didn't know what he was talking about, and I felt like I was gaining some sort of secret knowledge that no one else at the age of 8-9 knew about. He began giving me instructions as to how I could touch myself/would tell me how he did/what would happen. He would offer to do it for me, because often I didn't know what he was talking about. He would ask me to go home and do what he told me and then report back about it the next day.
Time went on with all of this sexual talk, and he asked me to stay on the bus one day. I had no real concept of what he is about to do, but I said yes. After I said yes, he immediately began asking me to/insisting that I kiss him (which I didn't want to do) and to "suck his ****" (which I didn't understand what that was/wasn't sure I wanted to do anyway.) He asked me a couple of times to do it, and got very angry with me when I said no!. At the time, he was keeping me from being bullied / I sat with him on the bus because he was my only protection. He threatened me to revoke his “friendship/protection” when I told him I didn't want to do what he was asking.
Being that I was at such a young age, and was scared of the other boys on the bus who picked on me, I gave in and did everything he asked me to do. And this went on for almost a year.
One day, I finally told him I can’t do it anymore, and he stopped being my friend and “protecting me”, just like he threatened. In fact, he instructed everyone to treat me much worse (which they did) and I remember him saying "This wouldn't happen if you were listening to me. Looking back, I guess I was really lucky that he didn’t force himself on me after that.
As a little boy, I remember my feelings escalating from being happy to be with him, to feeling anxious/nervous/ill when I knew I'd have to do this. I also remember a nightmare that I had then, that I was running away from him scared, because he had a knife that he wanted to put inside me.
I'm very sorry again for the length of this message, and if it is hard to follow. I'm just confused. I don't know how to classify this series of events in my life. And I don't know what to do with all of the feelings I have around it. And I'm angry that I even have feelings about it at all.
Did what happened matter? What can I do now with all of this stuff that's been following me, because as much as I try to forget about it, it always comes back up again and torments me.
Thank you, Duvid
Letter 4
Hello guys, I cannot believe that I am actually emailing this, but I guess I am
So I've been molested by my father at least twice...in my sleep.
Not really. One day, I was having trouble sleeping so I just lay in my bed. At around 11 p.m, my dad enters the room (like always) thinking that I am asleep. He kisses my lips with tongue. I didn't find this unusual since he always does this when I am wide awake so he would do stuff for me (go somewhere for instance) except just lips, no tongue. I didn't like it but since I wanted something done I would just give with a one second peck on the lips.
Back to that night. After that kiss, I thought that he would leave but he didn't. He sat on my bed and removed my blanket slowly. He touched my breast. Squeezing them and cupping them occasionally touching my butt. He stopped as I try to position my self in a position where he wouldn't be able to touch my breast only but it didn't work. I wanted to scream and get him of me but felt like I couldn't do anything. I was on my bed screaming in the inside hoping that my brother would go up the basement as fast as he could.
Waiting for my brother to come up while my dad's touching me felt like hours. My brother finally comes up the stairs to go to bed. My dad gets out of my room and goes to bed in his room along with my mom and little brother. They share rooms. After that, I just cried feeling dirty. I could have done something but I didn't. I could have stopped it. It wasn't that bad. He didn't touch my genitals. I told myself that the next time he does this again I would jump out of my bed and scream to him what he did and to GET OUT OF MY ROOM and NEVER come back.
A week or two later, he comes back into my room. My little brother was right beside me sleeping. My dad pulls my shirt up and touches my left breast, sucked it and circled his fingers around it. In my head I was screaming. I just couldn't do what I told myself last time. He leaves my room and I was relieved but before I knew it he reenters. I was wearing short shorts. He slides his hands in one of the leg holes and touches my private part, touching the part where you pee. I hear the sound of a flashlight. It was pointing towards my private part. In my head I was "what the heck are you doing? I'm your DAUGHTER! Why would you do this???” I'm guessing that he could see my private area well. After this he left. Once again, with a feeling of being dirty, weak and unclean
It’s now years later, I think about it, every time he tries to hug me and I remember that sick feeling when he would touch my butt or just brush my breast. I remember that smell and exactly what happened. I am a married woman with kids now and I am frightened for my kids and I am just putting up a face as I am happy to see him.
This is the first time that I have told/wrote anybody about this. Nobody knows about it, My husband, MY mom, my brothers, my friends. They don't know. I feel like I can't tell anyone. I am alone and I am still living this nightmare. I don't know what to do.
Thank you for listening
Malky
Letter 5
I am 33 years old, and I believe I was molested by my grandfather when I was a child. I did not remember this until I was 25 years old and was at my Uncle's (his oldest son) Simcha. My grandfather was staring directly at my chest while I was talking with someone and I noticed it and immediately got nauseous and felt like I wanted to crawl into myself. It is very difficult to describe but I felt like I wanted to curl into a fetal position and rock back and forth. I do not remember exactly what happened, but I do remember when I was younger, 10 or so, that my grandfather always wanted me to sit on his lap and I went to my aunt and told her I did not like to sit on grandpa's lap and it made me uncomfortable.
I can not for the life of me remember what happened, but I do remember feeling uneasy about sitting on grandpa's lap and running from the room if he came in, for fear of him wanting me to sit in his lap. Recently, my grandfather died. When I heard the news, I felt nothing. Not sadness, not happiness, just nothing. It's as if it is just another day and nothing happened. My father is crushed by losing his father and has questioned me all day on why I haven't cried.
I will not and can not tell my father why I don't care that my grandpa died, but I guess I just want to know, was I molested? I don't remember specifics, but I remember that uneasy feeling and I remember the feeling I had 2 years ago when grandpa was starting at my breasts. There are also "rumors" that he acted inappropriately with some of his kids (my dad, his brothers, and sisters), and my dad's older brother molested most of his siblings which leads me to believe he was molested by his father, my grandfather also. What do you think? I know you can't say for exact, but do the feelings and lack of feelings for his death lead you to believe that maybe something did happen that I am repressing?
Wondering,
Tzippi
I think, this would be the right time to post the following:
A friend of mine interviewed two persecutors of the DA’s office approximately six weeks ago and here is most of the interview
“There is a long way to go in uncovering domestic rape. The schools are not qualified enough to recognize mistreated children and some schools prefer to hush everything up to protect their reputation,”
Assistant District Attorney, Brooklyn, NY.
We believe that only a fraction of pedophilic incest reach the courts – one tenth at best, and even those mostly by accident.
Assistant District Attorney, Brooklyn, NY.
“When my tatty was around he always wanted to touch me, everywhere. He grabbed and pawed me. The worst of all was when he sucked my breasts. He bit me. He threw himself on top of me. It hurt. It was repulsive. He did it to me everywhere. In the car, in the bed, and in the basement. He told me that if I tell anybody about it he will go hang himself.”
14 year old girl in BoroPark
Often Mother Rejects the Raped Child
A woman expecting a baby comes home and is flabbergasted to find her beloved husband having intercourse with her daughter. She’s 12.
The startled man runs away, and the woman… gets pissed, beats up her daughter and phones her own Mom – what to do? The women will then come to a “sensible” conclusion: the best thing for everyone is to pretend that nothing happened.
By then, the raped child will have had medical care and the doctors have a sperm specimen. The girl’s mother crosses her heart saying nothing happened, and if something did happen, it must have been provoked by the little girl.
The suspect also pleads innocent. He cannot explain the sperm specimen – how on earth could it have got there?
Another case. A child molester in custody is awaiting trial in court. One morning, the mother and the mistreated child enter the prosecutor’s office. The child has told the investigators and experts long ago what her father did to her. But now the teenage girl, eyes brimming, explains the prosecutor that she saw everything that supposedly happened to her in a porn movie and just fantasized – Dad has done nothing.
“Talking with the child alone I had no doubt that the crime was indeed committed and that the mother had forced the child to change her statement,” says the prosecutor.
Often, mothers are the worst enemies of their raped children. According to some prosecutors, in 80 per cent of the cases, mothers deny everything. They tell the investigators that the child is prone to making things up, has wild fantasies, and is seeking revenge. Or, that the daughter herself enticed Daddy into having sex with her.
Some of these mothers have been victims of abuse themselves. With the majority, financial calculation takes precedence. If the father of the family goes to jail, money may soon run short, very short. So the mothers will start working upon the daughters: it is your fault that Dad is in custody, now we will starve until you take your statement back.
“What most often amazes me is that mothers never go to the police and when the Investigation is already under way, they’ll keep repeating that they knew nothing,” says one of the prosecutors. “On one hand, this is self-defense – you don’t want to say that you had your suspicions but failed to act. On the other hand, a lot of women genuinely can’t believe their husbands are capable of doing things like that and find it easier to put it down to an adolescent fantasy than to a predator husband.”
Predators don’t lack imagination
Only a small minority of pedophiles are prone to physical violence. They play with the victim’s feelings, coax and threaten. “If you tell anyone, Daddy will go to jail.” “Mommy will be very angry if she finds out.” “Maybe we’ll have a divorce and I’ll never see you again.” These are the most common lines but they are usually said only after the intercourse. “It all begins with the semi-innocent touch,” says the prosecutor. “After all, fathers do caress their children, don’t they? Then there are bathing, scrubbings. At one point the child is in a position where he or she cannot refuse the father.”
“The child thinks that everything father does is alright. They don’t know there is something criminal there. In my opinion children should be better informed, they should be explained in the playschool that certain ways of touching are improper and should be spoken about,” another recommends. “Someone like that says to the child, “It is perfectly normal that Daddy teaches you those things, who else should do it?”” says a third prosecutor. “But if you have done it once, you won’t be able to say no. Then father will say, “I’ll tell your friends what kind of a person you are, I’ll tell mother that you asked for it.” Or he will threaten the child with a divorce, police, jail or suicide – manipulation stops at nothing.
A grandfather abused his grandchild for years. He took the girl out to his place of work, made oral contact with her genitals and demanded she does the same to him. It started when she was 4 years old. “It would never have been discovered if the girl hadn’t become worried about her little sister. The sister was reaching the age when her own sufferings had begun. She talked to her aunt and the woman reacted in the right way,” says the prosecutor. Another long term abuse case was discovered only when the daughter had had enough and attacked her father with a knife.
The cases where a child is driven to the brink of suicide after enduring years of unwanted sex are not rare either. One of the prosecutors told us of a 14 year old girl, repeatedly raped by her father, who wrote an anonymous letter to the school psychologist. She said nothing about sex, just mentioned suicidal thoughts. With joint efforts of the psychologist and the crisis counselor the girl agreed to expose the rapist. “The child was terribly scared. She calculated what age she would be when father got out of jail and if she’d be independent enough to deal with revenge,” says the prosecutor.
Unpredictable Consequences
The court is hearing a case where a father abused his daughters aged 9-12 for four years. “He did to them practically everything a man can imagine,” says the prosecutor. “But what worries me most amidst all this horror is what will become of these children afterwards…” Immediate consequences are often among the least serious. Initially, the child is deprived of sleep – she doesn’t dare sleep for the father may “accidentally” stumble into the child’s bedroom at night. Sitting becomes uncomfortable; he or she becomes tense and withdrawn, uncooperative at school. General apathy may cause hygiene problems. Other children perceive that and start ostracizing the victim, thus adding to domestic abuse.
Signs of beating are much easier to notice – these are obvious to everyone. In most cases, sexual mistreatment leaves no visible marks. However, the trauma will be life-long.
English psychologists Carolyn Ainscough and Kay Toon have written a book “Breaking Free”, based on the recollections of people who have suffered sexual abuse. The gruesome study revealed that consequences of childhood abuse haunt us throughout our lives. They cause feelings of guilt and shame, depression and anxiety, eating disorders, fear of relationships and sexual problems.
“Who can tell how mistreated children will perceive sexual relations in adulthood? Will they see it as the foulest thing in the world or will they be able to enter normal relationships and put it all behind them?” asks one of the prosecutors. “As a rule, they will remain victims and will continue living it for a long time. Nobody can tell how they will react to a tiniest trigger in the future,” says another.
Talk About It!
The prosecutors’ advice is to talk about abuse by all means. Even, if it happened years ago. Cases of sexual crimes against children don’t expire that soon. A rape may be reported to the police 10 years after the victim has turned 18. “Report it, even if it happened 20 years ago,” urge the prosecutors. “We will react in any case and the perpetrator will not walk away with the sense of impunity. It is our task, together with the psychologists, to make the victims see that it was not their own fault.”
Just recently, in late November the Court sentenced a man who had abused and raped his stepdaughter in 1991-2000 to 10 years in prison. It had started when the child was only six years old. The raping continued till the girl was 16. The case was opened only in 2002 after the young woman filed a claim: she had been afraid to tell anyone before.
A 25 year old woman reported her father having pawed and ogled her as a child. She did it because she was worried about her baby sister, living under the same roof with the man. He was cleared of any suspicion of sexual assault; however, his computer was found brimming with child pornography.
Yes or No to Public Exposure?
Some daily newspapers have called for publicizing of names and photographs of all convicted pedophiles. None of the officials we spoke to endorse the idea. Skywriting the name of the pedophile means skywriting the victim’s name, says one of the prosecutors. “Even if the candy man picked an anonymous victim at random, the photo in the newspaper will make the assaulted person feel like – oh god, I’m in the news. They are writing about my case! The victim will take it personally and will not realize that his or her name was not mentioned. He or she may become detached for weeks and in the future, may have one inhibition less. And as for the perpetrators – if they fight it, take medication, go to a psychologist, why deprive them of hope and an incentive to reform by pillorizing them?”
“I don’t side with that – this would only mean stigmatizing, it doesn’t rid the pedophiles of their urges. Pedophiles must have access to treatment and their movements must be registered by the state so that they wouldn’t settle down near playschools, etc. For some reason we don’t see a lot of progress has been made by doing just that, registering home addresses with the police and informing the neighborhoods about the pedophiles,” says another prosecutor. “I would expose the ones who deny their problem. For those who tackle the problem, stigmatizing would be cruel and could add to mental disorders, even to the point of suicide,” says another.
All the people commenting to us agreed that registries meant for official use, like the ones we have here in NY, are indispensable. Every police officer should know about a convicted child molester settling in his or her area. Every school and kindergarten ought to have information about whom not to employ, even if it is a handyman.
To Punish or to Cure?
In the USA, child molesters usually get long prison sentences (Like Baruch Lebowitz who just got 32 years and Moshe Weingarten who received 30 years). But this is not always viable. Sometimes, to spare the child from a court procedure, compromises have to be made. The prosecutors say that putting a child through adversary court proceedings is like setting a bunny against a boa constrictor.
Even though the Supreme Court has ruled that the defendant must be allowed to interview the child, the prosecutors feel that sparing children should be the first consideration here. “We use expert opinion; we videotape the interviews so as not to leave any doubt or ambiguities. If an expert says giving evidence in court is going to harm the child we won’t do it. That’s that. It’s not as if one of the defendant’s basic rights is to question the child at a random stage of the proceedings. The child’s mental health surely overrides those rights. The investigators have to be professional enough to clear off the ambiguities.”
One of the prosecutors explained why he sentenced a cunning and careful man, who had repeatedly molested his twelve year old daughter, only conditionally. The man always used a condom and never had actual intercourse with the girl but just mimicked it – so as not to leave any hard evidence. All was discovered by an accidental eyewitness who happened to walk by the car where the intercourse was being committed. The eyewitness called the police, the daughter told nothing.
“The man admitted that he was ill and needed treatment,” said the prosecutor. “Also, he is the sole bread earner of a large family. And yet another thing – sentencing him to prison would have meant that the whole local community, her schoolmates etc would became aware of what happened to the girl – raped by her own father… I decided that – all things considered – a long probation, compulsory visits to a psychologist and getting treatment will be best.”
Some prosecutors disagree: “I don’t believe in treatment,” says another. “Naturally, the “electronic bracelet“and treatment are popular catch phrases among the pedophiles to get the parole. But treatment – I regard this as postponing the next assault for just a little while. It all really begins with the pedophile’s wish to check himself, to control his own urges, and that will never happen by pressure from the outside… “Its not the pedophiles’ fault they were born like that,” says another prosecutor. “Pedophilia is a diagnosed disorder and the state is obliged to deal with it. Persons who recognize their disorder must get access to treatment. Tougher sentences only work for those who deny their problem. But in that case the only effective punishment would be a life sentence.”
In general, 70 percent of the victims are under 14 years old. In more than a half cases the child victim was a relative or someone the molester knew. The typical child molester is male, 30 to 55 years old, having no accomplices.
According to one of the prosecutors, most of the child abuse cases heard by the court come from underprivileged families. “However, you can’t go by that,” he adds. “The better off the family, the less chance of exposure. There are additional motives to cover up: social standing, etc. And the media won’t crack down on “unexceptional” pedophiles either.
Some of this letters were also written with tears, pain, frustration and anger. It was written by victims, by people who are 15-20 years past the attacks and they are still tormented with tremendous pain and suffering.
On the advice of some professionals I have decided to publicize some of these letters (Of course I’ve changed the names to protect the victims, and I’ve spell checked the email) and I want you to see what suffering means. And if you think that this is a fiction novel, think again because it’s all real!
Letter 1
I am 23 years old. Ever since I was 8 up until I was 12 - 13 my father molested me. It wasn't a constant everyday thing, but he would do out of the normal things like tell me to sit on the hot tub and ask me if it felt good or touch my chest and bottom. He would also always want me to go swimming with him alone and I was never aloud to lock my bedroom door.
On several occasions he would smile and say that he thought I wanted to touch his penis or that he thought I was looking at it. I never was but it would shock and embarrass me when he would say those things and at the time being so young, I was afraid that if I told my mom the things he would say, that she would think that I was interested in touching him and be mad at me.
All of the chest touching and bottom pinching and smacking he did in front of my mother so I never really thought it was wrong. Then the last time it happened was when I was 12. My mother was pregnant and she had to be on rest bed.
One night she had been laying down and I had stayed up with him to play a board game with him like we sometimes did. All of a sudden he started rubbing on my stomach and moving up my shirt. He was touching me on my nipples and I was shocked and afraid to even move, but when he tried to go down my under pants, I jumped up and said that I had forgotten to call my friend about something for Yeshiva. I was so scared and I didn't want to tell my mom right away and stress her out. So I waited for awhile until after she had the baby. When I”Finally” told her, she called me a liar at first and said that I imagined it. She also said that I was too flat chested and he wouldn't have ever done that. She also went as far as saying that if I was telling the truth then she would run away and he would go to jail because of me. She also told me that it would mean we would lose our house among other things. I was scared and I didn't want all of those things to be my fault. She even called my grandmother ( My fathers mother) over and forced me to tell her everything. Then they all ganged up on me and told me how awful it was that I was lying. My mother has told me she asked him over and over but he denies it.
I know what happened. But my mother insists on telling me I'm crazy and that whenever I tell one of my other family members what happened, that I'm bad mouthing her and I'm just trying to rip her marriage apart. The last time she thought I told somebody, she immediately started saying I was lying and when they asked her what she was talking about she disclosed the whole story. When I told her that I hadn't told that person, that she did, she said that she was doing damage control. Fixing what I had probably said about them. Why would she have done that if she didn't at least suspect I was telling the truth? What am I supposed to do? I love my mother and I need her support. She keeps turning her back on me and picking his word over mine. I thought parents were supposed to believe their children. Like I said, I'm 23 now, I just had my second child, and my father holds the child like it never happened, and I crunch every time he looks at my little boy, and I refuse to back down and let him get away with this. I also have a 7 yr old little brother that I have to protect from him. How do I make my mother see that I'm telling the truth?
Thank you, Avigdor
Letter 2
When I was young I was molested by my grandfather. I didn't realize what was happening until I was older, and at that point it hadn't happened in more than a year, and he was extremely sick. He died around 2 years later. While I realize what he did was wrong, and disgusting, I have never really been angry about it, or afraid, or really effected by it at all.
Recently though, me and my husband were blessed with a beautiful baby girl, and I started having these horrible sinking feeling. I'm terrified of having kids and leaving them with someone else. I'm so absolutely horrified that what happened to me will happen to her. Even the idea of leaving them with my husband makes me feel sick. I don't know what to do. I want more kids, and I love and trust my family and his family but I can't seem to work my way through this.
I keep thinking 'well I’m sure my dad didn't think that his dad would ever do something like that.' No one in my family knows what happened, and I don't see the point in telling them and ruining their memories of him, but I really don't know what to do. I can't function with this hanging over my head...
Sincerely, Chayala
Letter 3
I want to apologize before-hand for the length of this message.
For starters, I love your blog, I am addicted to it and you are doing a great Mitzvah in helping the community, and perhaps avoiding future abuse.
For years now, on and off, I have thought of and been very distressed about a situation that happened when I was 8 or 9 years old. Whenever I think about it (which sometimes is very often) I become very depressed / angry with myself. I get upset that I've let it affect me. I don't why it started bothering me so many years later, but it just started bothering me.
Here is the story: Throughout my childhood, I was severely picked on, especially by children on my school bus. When I was 8 or 9, this “Watcher / Rabbi” on the bus decided to befriend me. He was much bigger than me, and all of the kids on the bus would were scared of him. He began talking to me, and somehow began talking to me about sexual body parts/activities. I was always very interested, because I didn't know what he was talking about, and I felt like I was gaining some sort of secret knowledge that no one else at the age of 8-9 knew about. He began giving me instructions as to how I could touch myself/would tell me how he did/what would happen. He would offer to do it for me, because often I didn't know what he was talking about. He would ask me to go home and do what he told me and then report back about it the next day.
Time went on with all of this sexual talk, and he asked me to stay on the bus one day. I had no real concept of what he is about to do, but I said yes. After I said yes, he immediately began asking me to/insisting that I kiss him (which I didn't want to do) and to "suck his ****" (which I didn't understand what that was/wasn't sure I wanted to do anyway.) He asked me a couple of times to do it, and got very angry with me when I said no!. At the time, he was keeping me from being bullied / I sat with him on the bus because he was my only protection. He threatened me to revoke his “friendship/protection” when I told him I didn't want to do what he was asking.
Being that I was at such a young age, and was scared of the other boys on the bus who picked on me, I gave in and did everything he asked me to do. And this went on for almost a year.
One day, I finally told him I can’t do it anymore, and he stopped being my friend and “protecting me”, just like he threatened. In fact, he instructed everyone to treat me much worse (which they did) and I remember him saying "This wouldn't happen if you were listening to me. Looking back, I guess I was really lucky that he didn’t force himself on me after that.
As a little boy, I remember my feelings escalating from being happy to be with him, to feeling anxious/nervous/ill when I knew I'd have to do this. I also remember a nightmare that I had then, that I was running away from him scared, because he had a knife that he wanted to put inside me.
I'm very sorry again for the length of this message, and if it is hard to follow. I'm just confused. I don't know how to classify this series of events in my life. And I don't know what to do with all of the feelings I have around it. And I'm angry that I even have feelings about it at all.
Did what happened matter? What can I do now with all of this stuff that's been following me, because as much as I try to forget about it, it always comes back up again and torments me.
Thank you, Duvid
Letter 4
Hello guys, I cannot believe that I am actually emailing this, but I guess I am
So I've been molested by my father at least twice...in my sleep.
Not really. One day, I was having trouble sleeping so I just lay in my bed. At around 11 p.m, my dad enters the room (like always) thinking that I am asleep. He kisses my lips with tongue. I didn't find this unusual since he always does this when I am wide awake so he would do stuff for me (go somewhere for instance) except just lips, no tongue. I didn't like it but since I wanted something done I would just give with a one second peck on the lips.
Back to that night. After that kiss, I thought that he would leave but he didn't. He sat on my bed and removed my blanket slowly. He touched my breast. Squeezing them and cupping them occasionally touching my butt. He stopped as I try to position my self in a position where he wouldn't be able to touch my breast only but it didn't work. I wanted to scream and get him of me but felt like I couldn't do anything. I was on my bed screaming in the inside hoping that my brother would go up the basement as fast as he could.
Waiting for my brother to come up while my dad's touching me felt like hours. My brother finally comes up the stairs to go to bed. My dad gets out of my room and goes to bed in his room along with my mom and little brother. They share rooms. After that, I just cried feeling dirty. I could have done something but I didn't. I could have stopped it. It wasn't that bad. He didn't touch my genitals. I told myself that the next time he does this again I would jump out of my bed and scream to him what he did and to GET OUT OF MY ROOM and NEVER come back.
A week or two later, he comes back into my room. My little brother was right beside me sleeping. My dad pulls my shirt up and touches my left breast, sucked it and circled his fingers around it. In my head I was screaming. I just couldn't do what I told myself last time. He leaves my room and I was relieved but before I knew it he reenters. I was wearing short shorts. He slides his hands in one of the leg holes and touches my private part, touching the part where you pee. I hear the sound of a flashlight. It was pointing towards my private part. In my head I was "what the heck are you doing? I'm your DAUGHTER! Why would you do this???” I'm guessing that he could see my private area well. After this he left. Once again, with a feeling of being dirty, weak and unclean
It’s now years later, I think about it, every time he tries to hug me and I remember that sick feeling when he would touch my butt or just brush my breast. I remember that smell and exactly what happened. I am a married woman with kids now and I am frightened for my kids and I am just putting up a face as I am happy to see him.
This is the first time that I have told/wrote anybody about this. Nobody knows about it, My husband, MY mom, my brothers, my friends. They don't know. I feel like I can't tell anyone. I am alone and I am still living this nightmare. I don't know what to do.
Thank you for listening
Malky
Letter 5
I am 33 years old, and I believe I was molested by my grandfather when I was a child. I did not remember this until I was 25 years old and was at my Uncle's (his oldest son) Simcha. My grandfather was staring directly at my chest while I was talking with someone and I noticed it and immediately got nauseous and felt like I wanted to crawl into myself. It is very difficult to describe but I felt like I wanted to curl into a fetal position and rock back and forth. I do not remember exactly what happened, but I do remember when I was younger, 10 or so, that my grandfather always wanted me to sit on his lap and I went to my aunt and told her I did not like to sit on grandpa's lap and it made me uncomfortable.
I can not for the life of me remember what happened, but I do remember feeling uneasy about sitting on grandpa's lap and running from the room if he came in, for fear of him wanting me to sit in his lap. Recently, my grandfather died. When I heard the news, I felt nothing. Not sadness, not happiness, just nothing. It's as if it is just another day and nothing happened. My father is crushed by losing his father and has questioned me all day on why I haven't cried.
I will not and can not tell my father why I don't care that my grandpa died, but I guess I just want to know, was I molested? I don't remember specifics, but I remember that uneasy feeling and I remember the feeling I had 2 years ago when grandpa was starting at my breasts. There are also "rumors" that he acted inappropriately with some of his kids (my dad, his brothers, and sisters), and my dad's older brother molested most of his siblings which leads me to believe he was molested by his father, my grandfather also. What do you think? I know you can't say for exact, but do the feelings and lack of feelings for his death lead you to believe that maybe something did happen that I am repressing?
Wondering,
Tzippi
I think, this would be the right time to post the following:
A friend of mine interviewed two persecutors of the DA’s office approximately six weeks ago and here is most of the interview
“There is a long way to go in uncovering domestic rape. The schools are not qualified enough to recognize mistreated children and some schools prefer to hush everything up to protect their reputation,”
Assistant District Attorney, Brooklyn, NY.
We believe that only a fraction of pedophilic incest reach the courts – one tenth at best, and even those mostly by accident.
Assistant District Attorney, Brooklyn, NY.
“When my tatty was around he always wanted to touch me, everywhere. He grabbed and pawed me. The worst of all was when he sucked my breasts. He bit me. He threw himself on top of me. It hurt. It was repulsive. He did it to me everywhere. In the car, in the bed, and in the basement. He told me that if I tell anybody about it he will go hang himself.”
14 year old girl in BoroPark
Often Mother Rejects the Raped Child
A woman expecting a baby comes home and is flabbergasted to find her beloved husband having intercourse with her daughter. She’s 12.
The startled man runs away, and the woman… gets pissed, beats up her daughter and phones her own Mom – what to do? The women will then come to a “sensible” conclusion: the best thing for everyone is to pretend that nothing happened.
By then, the raped child will have had medical care and the doctors have a sperm specimen. The girl’s mother crosses her heart saying nothing happened, and if something did happen, it must have been provoked by the little girl.
The suspect also pleads innocent. He cannot explain the sperm specimen – how on earth could it have got there?
Another case. A child molester in custody is awaiting trial in court. One morning, the mother and the mistreated child enter the prosecutor’s office. The child has told the investigators and experts long ago what her father did to her. But now the teenage girl, eyes brimming, explains the prosecutor that she saw everything that supposedly happened to her in a porn movie and just fantasized – Dad has done nothing.
“Talking with the child alone I had no doubt that the crime was indeed committed and that the mother had forced the child to change her statement,” says the prosecutor.
Often, mothers are the worst enemies of their raped children. According to some prosecutors, in 80 per cent of the cases, mothers deny everything. They tell the investigators that the child is prone to making things up, has wild fantasies, and is seeking revenge. Or, that the daughter herself enticed Daddy into having sex with her.
Some of these mothers have been victims of abuse themselves. With the majority, financial calculation takes precedence. If the father of the family goes to jail, money may soon run short, very short. So the mothers will start working upon the daughters: it is your fault that Dad is in custody, now we will starve until you take your statement back.
“What most often amazes me is that mothers never go to the police and when the Investigation is already under way, they’ll keep repeating that they knew nothing,” says one of the prosecutors. “On one hand, this is self-defense – you don’t want to say that you had your suspicions but failed to act. On the other hand, a lot of women genuinely can’t believe their husbands are capable of doing things like that and find it easier to put it down to an adolescent fantasy than to a predator husband.”
Predators don’t lack imagination
Only a small minority of pedophiles are prone to physical violence. They play with the victim’s feelings, coax and threaten. “If you tell anyone, Daddy will go to jail.” “Mommy will be very angry if she finds out.” “Maybe we’ll have a divorce and I’ll never see you again.” These are the most common lines but they are usually said only after the intercourse. “It all begins with the semi-innocent touch,” says the prosecutor. “After all, fathers do caress their children, don’t they? Then there are bathing, scrubbings. At one point the child is in a position where he or she cannot refuse the father.”
“The child thinks that everything father does is alright. They don’t know there is something criminal there. In my opinion children should be better informed, they should be explained in the playschool that certain ways of touching are improper and should be spoken about,” another recommends. “Someone like that says to the child, “It is perfectly normal that Daddy teaches you those things, who else should do it?”” says a third prosecutor. “But if you have done it once, you won’t be able to say no. Then father will say, “I’ll tell your friends what kind of a person you are, I’ll tell mother that you asked for it.” Or he will threaten the child with a divorce, police, jail or suicide – manipulation stops at nothing.
A grandfather abused his grandchild for years. He took the girl out to his place of work, made oral contact with her genitals and demanded she does the same to him. It started when she was 4 years old. “It would never have been discovered if the girl hadn’t become worried about her little sister. The sister was reaching the age when her own sufferings had begun. She talked to her aunt and the woman reacted in the right way,” says the prosecutor. Another long term abuse case was discovered only when the daughter had had enough and attacked her father with a knife.
The cases where a child is driven to the brink of suicide after enduring years of unwanted sex are not rare either. One of the prosecutors told us of a 14 year old girl, repeatedly raped by her father, who wrote an anonymous letter to the school psychologist. She said nothing about sex, just mentioned suicidal thoughts. With joint efforts of the psychologist and the crisis counselor the girl agreed to expose the rapist. “The child was terribly scared. She calculated what age she would be when father got out of jail and if she’d be independent enough to deal with revenge,” says the prosecutor.
Unpredictable Consequences
The court is hearing a case where a father abused his daughters aged 9-12 for four years. “He did to them practically everything a man can imagine,” says the prosecutor. “But what worries me most amidst all this horror is what will become of these children afterwards…” Immediate consequences are often among the least serious. Initially, the child is deprived of sleep – she doesn’t dare sleep for the father may “accidentally” stumble into the child’s bedroom at night. Sitting becomes uncomfortable; he or she becomes tense and withdrawn, uncooperative at school. General apathy may cause hygiene problems. Other children perceive that and start ostracizing the victim, thus adding to domestic abuse.
Signs of beating are much easier to notice – these are obvious to everyone. In most cases, sexual mistreatment leaves no visible marks. However, the trauma will be life-long.
English psychologists Carolyn Ainscough and Kay Toon have written a book “Breaking Free”, based on the recollections of people who have suffered sexual abuse. The gruesome study revealed that consequences of childhood abuse haunt us throughout our lives. They cause feelings of guilt and shame, depression and anxiety, eating disorders, fear of relationships and sexual problems.
“Who can tell how mistreated children will perceive sexual relations in adulthood? Will they see it as the foulest thing in the world or will they be able to enter normal relationships and put it all behind them?” asks one of the prosecutors. “As a rule, they will remain victims and will continue living it for a long time. Nobody can tell how they will react to a tiniest trigger in the future,” says another.
Talk About It!
The prosecutors’ advice is to talk about abuse by all means. Even, if it happened years ago. Cases of sexual crimes against children don’t expire that soon. A rape may be reported to the police 10 years after the victim has turned 18. “Report it, even if it happened 20 years ago,” urge the prosecutors. “We will react in any case and the perpetrator will not walk away with the sense of impunity. It is our task, together with the psychologists, to make the victims see that it was not their own fault.”
Just recently, in late November the Court sentenced a man who had abused and raped his stepdaughter in 1991-2000 to 10 years in prison. It had started when the child was only six years old. The raping continued till the girl was 16. The case was opened only in 2002 after the young woman filed a claim: she had been afraid to tell anyone before.
A 25 year old woman reported her father having pawed and ogled her as a child. She did it because she was worried about her baby sister, living under the same roof with the man. He was cleared of any suspicion of sexual assault; however, his computer was found brimming with child pornography.
Yes or No to Public Exposure?
Some daily newspapers have called for publicizing of names and photographs of all convicted pedophiles. None of the officials we spoke to endorse the idea. Skywriting the name of the pedophile means skywriting the victim’s name, says one of the prosecutors. “Even if the candy man picked an anonymous victim at random, the photo in the newspaper will make the assaulted person feel like – oh god, I’m in the news. They are writing about my case! The victim will take it personally and will not realize that his or her name was not mentioned. He or she may become detached for weeks and in the future, may have one inhibition less. And as for the perpetrators – if they fight it, take medication, go to a psychologist, why deprive them of hope and an incentive to reform by pillorizing them?”
“I don’t side with that – this would only mean stigmatizing, it doesn’t rid the pedophiles of their urges. Pedophiles must have access to treatment and their movements must be registered by the state so that they wouldn’t settle down near playschools, etc. For some reason we don’t see a lot of progress has been made by doing just that, registering home addresses with the police and informing the neighborhoods about the pedophiles,” says another prosecutor. “I would expose the ones who deny their problem. For those who tackle the problem, stigmatizing would be cruel and could add to mental disorders, even to the point of suicide,” says another.
All the people commenting to us agreed that registries meant for official use, like the ones we have here in NY, are indispensable. Every police officer should know about a convicted child molester settling in his or her area. Every school and kindergarten ought to have information about whom not to employ, even if it is a handyman.
To Punish or to Cure?
In the USA, child molesters usually get long prison sentences (Like Baruch Lebowitz who just got 32 years and Moshe Weingarten who received 30 years). But this is not always viable. Sometimes, to spare the child from a court procedure, compromises have to be made. The prosecutors say that putting a child through adversary court proceedings is like setting a bunny against a boa constrictor.
Even though the Supreme Court has ruled that the defendant must be allowed to interview the child, the prosecutors feel that sparing children should be the first consideration here. “We use expert opinion; we videotape the interviews so as not to leave any doubt or ambiguities. If an expert says giving evidence in court is going to harm the child we won’t do it. That’s that. It’s not as if one of the defendant’s basic rights is to question the child at a random stage of the proceedings. The child’s mental health surely overrides those rights. The investigators have to be professional enough to clear off the ambiguities.”
One of the prosecutors explained why he sentenced a cunning and careful man, who had repeatedly molested his twelve year old daughter, only conditionally. The man always used a condom and never had actual intercourse with the girl but just mimicked it – so as not to leave any hard evidence. All was discovered by an accidental eyewitness who happened to walk by the car where the intercourse was being committed. The eyewitness called the police, the daughter told nothing.
“The man admitted that he was ill and needed treatment,” said the prosecutor. “Also, he is the sole bread earner of a large family. And yet another thing – sentencing him to prison would have meant that the whole local community, her schoolmates etc would became aware of what happened to the girl – raped by her own father… I decided that – all things considered – a long probation, compulsory visits to a psychologist and getting treatment will be best.”
Some prosecutors disagree: “I don’t believe in treatment,” says another. “Naturally, the “electronic bracelet“and treatment are popular catch phrases among the pedophiles to get the parole. But treatment – I regard this as postponing the next assault for just a little while. It all really begins with the pedophile’s wish to check himself, to control his own urges, and that will never happen by pressure from the outside… “Its not the pedophiles’ fault they were born like that,” says another prosecutor. “Pedophilia is a diagnosed disorder and the state is obliged to deal with it. Persons who recognize their disorder must get access to treatment. Tougher sentences only work for those who deny their problem. But in that case the only effective punishment would be a life sentence.”
In general, 70 percent of the victims are under 14 years old. In more than a half cases the child victim was a relative or someone the molester knew. The typical child molester is male, 30 to 55 years old, having no accomplices.
According to one of the prosecutors, most of the child abuse cases heard by the court come from underprivileged families. “However, you can’t go by that,” he adds. “The better off the family, the less chance of exposure. There are additional motives to cover up: social standing, etc. And the media won’t crack down on “unexceptional” pedophiles either.
Friday, August 27, 2010
Something we all can agree on!
I would like to invite you and introduce you to a great new organization that are out to help victims and are out to prevent future molestation in our schools.
I would really like for everyone to team up and show the world that no matter what your position is on Rabbi Nuchem, we still can put our differences aside and come together for this important cause.
Can I count on all of you to show support for this cause? I truly hope there will not be ONE negative comment on this one. Let’s put away our political views on Rabbi Nuchem and let’s unite together for this very important issue.
The organization is called “JPSY” (Jewish Parents for Safe Yeshivos ) And this is what they are all about.
JPSY” (Jewish Parents for Safe Yeshivos )
We are survivors of childhood sexual abuse in the Orthodox community. Along with our advocates, we seek to obtain justice and stop these destructive acts from continuing.
Our goal is to educate survivors and their families in order to empower them to report cases of abuse directly to the police and to offer support when they decide to seek justice through the criminal and civil courts.
The sexual abuse of children is at alarming proportions within our community, the magnitude of which has begun to be brought to light.
This abuse has been covered up for decades, serving to insulate the perpetrators and protect the institutions that harbor them. Compounding this problem is a cultural taboo against "informing" to the secular authorities coupled with intimidation and shunning of victims. This behavior serves to keep victims and their families silent.
We seek to raise awareness of the incidence and prevalence of child sexual abuse in our communities and to educate the community about legislation that would enable victims to come forward to seek justice and provide legal protections to our children.
We believe our efforts will offer redress to survivors and their families, hold the perpetrators accountable for their crimes and remove them from our community, and send a clear message to the institutions harboring them that they will be held responsible.
Please join this cause and sign up to be a supporter at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jewish-Parents-for-Safe-Yeshivos-JPSY/113683835351943?ref=ts and let’s show the world that FRUM people ARE here to protect the kids, they ARE here to protect our streets and they ARE here to make a difference.
If the Rabbis are not willing to do it for us, let’s grab the bull by its horns and lets have a voice and do the right thing.
I would really like for everyone to team up and show the world that no matter what your position is on Rabbi Nuchem, we still can put our differences aside and come together for this important cause.
Can I count on all of you to show support for this cause? I truly hope there will not be ONE negative comment on this one. Let’s put away our political views on Rabbi Nuchem and let’s unite together for this very important issue.
The organization is called “JPSY” (Jewish Parents for Safe Yeshivos ) And this is what they are all about.
JPSY” (Jewish Parents for Safe Yeshivos )
We are survivors of childhood sexual abuse in the Orthodox community. Along with our advocates, we seek to obtain justice and stop these destructive acts from continuing.
Our goal is to educate survivors and their families in order to empower them to report cases of abuse directly to the police and to offer support when they decide to seek justice through the criminal and civil courts.
The sexual abuse of children is at alarming proportions within our community, the magnitude of which has begun to be brought to light.
This abuse has been covered up for decades, serving to insulate the perpetrators and protect the institutions that harbor them. Compounding this problem is a cultural taboo against "informing" to the secular authorities coupled with intimidation and shunning of victims. This behavior serves to keep victims and their families silent.
We seek to raise awareness of the incidence and prevalence of child sexual abuse in our communities and to educate the community about legislation that would enable victims to come forward to seek justice and provide legal protections to our children.
We believe our efforts will offer redress to survivors and their families, hold the perpetrators accountable for their crimes and remove them from our community, and send a clear message to the institutions harboring them that they will be held responsible.
Please join this cause and sign up to be a supporter at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jewish-Parents-for-Safe-Yeshivos-JPSY/113683835351943?ref=ts and let’s show the world that FRUM people ARE here to protect the kids, they ARE here to protect our streets and they ARE here to make a difference.
If the Rabbis are not willing to do it for us, let’s grab the bull by its horns and lets have a voice and do the right thing.
Thursday, August 26, 2010
Why is he Bashing the “Rabbunim”?
Why is R’ Nuchem bashing the Rabbunim? Why is R’ Nuchem making fun of all the “Holy Gedolim”? What does he want from the Kosover Chazir? We agree for what he stands for, but why the filth on the Rabbunim?
You hear those questions all the time. People want to know, Why? Why? Why?
Budweiser used to have a commercial that was called “Why ask Why”? This is appropriate here, because the answer is very simple! But let me explain
Here are some facts that EVERYONE agrees on:
Except for the Lebowitz family, EVERYONE agrees with Rabbi Nuchem when it comes to molesters! We know that we have a major Molester problem in the community. We know that before the holy Rabbi stepped in, nothing was done. We know that if not for the pressure that the rabbi applies on the community, they would STILL look away. We know that no one has the guts to intervene for these helpless victims.
We also ALL know, that today’s Rabbunim are gutless and don’t do anything before spinning it 25 times in their head on how it will effect their name in their respective community and how they can gain fame and celebrity status. They don’t care what the truth is, they only care on how the community will think of them and what their name will look like and if they can do a shidduch with a bigger Ass Rabbi and how many Benjamins will end up in their pockets.
The mere fact that Itzu Glick runs the “Hisachdes rabbunim” for the last 30 years, is a joke and everyone knows it. (I challenge someone to tell me he is a good man!) So right there you got 300 gutless Rabbis who do not deserve to be called a Rabbi.
Therefore, since they don’t have the guts to take a stand, you would assume that the least what they can do, is to shut up and get out of the way! You don’t want to help? No problem, but at least don’t get in the way!
But these Rabunnim have another problem! They need attention too, and they need to follow the leader so they “Stay on the In”. Hence, what do they do? They disturb the work! They isolated the holy Rabbi! And they abused him at every possible spot!
And you want to know why he bashes them? Why shouldn’t he? They are just as guilty as the molester! They cover the molesters! They protect the molesters! They are the codefendants of the molesters! They have Jewish blood on their hands! They will have to answer to GOD for handing hundreds of helpless kids to the molesters ON A GOLDEN TRAY! What does Joel Engelmann have to do now? His life is upside down and STILL paying the price for it! What was your question again? Why he bashes them? I will tell you why! Because he does not carry a weapon with him, so the least he can do is bash them!
Three years ago, the cops apprehended a sexual molester in Canada, and the suspect opened fire on the cops, and there was a major shoot out. Being that there were 20 officers there, and the molester opened fire, they all shot back at him and emptied their weapons on him with a total of 97 bullets.
Of course the following day there was a major press conference and a reporter asks the Sergeant. But why did you have to shoot him with 97 bullets? He is still a human, why did you punish him with 97 bullets?
Cool as a cucumber, the sergeant responds. 97? Oh we shot 97 bullets in to this molester, because that’s all we had “We ran out of bullets”.
The bigger question here is, where are you guys? Why don’t you demand your rabbi to come out against these abusers and molesters? Why are you not protecting the kids? Why are you not demanding that the schools have a video covering every inch of their properties? Why are you quiet? Why does one only speak out after his kid was abused? Haven’t we had enough? What will it take for you to see what’s going on over here? 1 out of 5 aint good enough for you guys? Are the numbers still too low?
Can someone from the opposition against Rabbi Nuchem, come out and address the molestation problem? Or are you only willing to talk about everything else?
Rabbi!Rabbi! go on with your holy work and don’t you ever run out of ammunition! And on our next journey where the truth is open to all, we will see you sitting right next to our fathers Abraham, Yitzchok and Yaakov.
You hear those questions all the time. People want to know, Why? Why? Why?
Budweiser used to have a commercial that was called “Why ask Why”? This is appropriate here, because the answer is very simple! But let me explain
Here are some facts that EVERYONE agrees on:
Except for the Lebowitz family, EVERYONE agrees with Rabbi Nuchem when it comes to molesters! We know that we have a major Molester problem in the community. We know that before the holy Rabbi stepped in, nothing was done. We know that if not for the pressure that the rabbi applies on the community, they would STILL look away. We know that no one has the guts to intervene for these helpless victims.
We also ALL know, that today’s Rabbunim are gutless and don’t do anything before spinning it 25 times in their head on how it will effect their name in their respective community and how they can gain fame and celebrity status. They don’t care what the truth is, they only care on how the community will think of them and what their name will look like and if they can do a shidduch with a bigger Ass Rabbi and how many Benjamins will end up in their pockets.
The mere fact that Itzu Glick runs the “Hisachdes rabbunim” for the last 30 years, is a joke and everyone knows it. (I challenge someone to tell me he is a good man!) So right there you got 300 gutless Rabbis who do not deserve to be called a Rabbi.
Therefore, since they don’t have the guts to take a stand, you would assume that the least what they can do, is to shut up and get out of the way! You don’t want to help? No problem, but at least don’t get in the way!
But these Rabunnim have another problem! They need attention too, and they need to follow the leader so they “Stay on the In”. Hence, what do they do? They disturb the work! They isolated the holy Rabbi! And they abused him at every possible spot!
And you want to know why he bashes them? Why shouldn’t he? They are just as guilty as the molester! They cover the molesters! They protect the molesters! They are the codefendants of the molesters! They have Jewish blood on their hands! They will have to answer to GOD for handing hundreds of helpless kids to the molesters ON A GOLDEN TRAY! What does Joel Engelmann have to do now? His life is upside down and STILL paying the price for it! What was your question again? Why he bashes them? I will tell you why! Because he does not carry a weapon with him, so the least he can do is bash them!
Three years ago, the cops apprehended a sexual molester in Canada, and the suspect opened fire on the cops, and there was a major shoot out. Being that there were 20 officers there, and the molester opened fire, they all shot back at him and emptied their weapons on him with a total of 97 bullets.
Of course the following day there was a major press conference and a reporter asks the Sergeant. But why did you have to shoot him with 97 bullets? He is still a human, why did you punish him with 97 bullets?
Cool as a cucumber, the sergeant responds. 97? Oh we shot 97 bullets in to this molester, because that’s all we had “We ran out of bullets”.
The bigger question here is, where are you guys? Why don’t you demand your rabbi to come out against these abusers and molesters? Why are you not protecting the kids? Why are you not demanding that the schools have a video covering every inch of their properties? Why are you quiet? Why does one only speak out after his kid was abused? Haven’t we had enough? What will it take for you to see what’s going on over here? 1 out of 5 aint good enough for you guys? Are the numbers still too low?
Can someone from the opposition against Rabbi Nuchem, come out and address the molestation problem? Or are you only willing to talk about everything else?
Rabbi!Rabbi! go on with your holy work and don’t you ever run out of ammunition! And on our next journey where the truth is open to all, we will see you sitting right next to our fathers Abraham, Yitzchok and Yaakov.
Not really a problem!
This dummies on "get rid" don’t allow all your comments. They only allow the ones that they approve. So take a look at what they approve. “Nuchem is overdoing the problem” “Not even 1% of what he claims is true” “he makes the problem bigger” “ There are molesters, but very few - here and there” these are just some of the comments.
Please take a look at this video From Charles Hynes (Of course he is scared of Rabbi Nuchem, that’s why he is doing it)
Now listen to the video! Animal Mondrowitz has abused “Hundreds” of kids, but hey, come on. Its only hundreds, it’s not like it was millions. If the rabbis sees, that it is reaching into the millions, then they can hand him over to the authorities, but 100’s is not quite that bad!
The Talmud (Senhadrin 37a) asks us why the human race was created as a single human being (Adam), as opposed to creating many people at once (like the animals which were created en masse)?
This teaches us that just as Adam was created in the beginning, and he was the entire human population of the world, likewise we need to look at each individual as if he/she were the entire population of the world. Therefore, when you save one life it is as if you saved the entire world.
"FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH US THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL... SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL..., SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD."
So I guess these great holy rabbis and their followers forgot about this Talmud! or maybe pick-and-choose is something they belive in after all.
Please take a look at this video From Charles Hynes (Of course he is scared of Rabbi Nuchem, that’s why he is doing it)
Now listen to the video! Animal Mondrowitz has abused “Hundreds” of kids, but hey, come on. Its only hundreds, it’s not like it was millions. If the rabbis sees, that it is reaching into the millions, then they can hand him over to the authorities, but 100’s is not quite that bad!
The Talmud (Senhadrin 37a) asks us why the human race was created as a single human being (Adam), as opposed to creating many people at once (like the animals which were created en masse)?
This teaches us that just as Adam was created in the beginning, and he was the entire human population of the world, likewise we need to look at each individual as if he/she were the entire population of the world. Therefore, when you save one life it is as if you saved the entire world.
"FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH US THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL... SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL..., SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD."
So I guess these great holy rabbis and their followers forgot about this Talmud! or maybe pick-and-choose is something they belive in after all.
Wednesday, August 25, 2010
This is Not A “Chillul Hashem”
Unreal! Unreal! Rabbi Nuchem asked us a year ago, that yeshivas should teach us something skilful that we can specialize in so when we get married, we have a skill, like Accounting, bookkeeping, Engineering, etc. so these dummies don’t endanger our streets
What an uneducated moron! This is what R' Nuchem is talking about! You have hundreds and Hundreds of people that are uneducated, and have no goal in life and they are behaving like wild animals. Approaching a 19 year old girl and asking for FUN (sex) “you make me hot!” OMG!
Where do you get the nerve to stop in middle of a street and request sex from a stranger! This didn't happen in Harlem and it didn’t happen in Bedsty, it happened in THE CENTER OF BORO PARK in BROAD DAYLIGHT!
I would put up one million dollars against your one dollar that the individual in this video was somehow molested. But let’s not do anything, lets not wait until he bumps into your 16 year old daughter waiting in your car and can’t control himself and rapes her. When that happens, lets go to the Rabbi, and if it happens five more times then we will go to the USA courts!
Keep asking For Rabbi Nuchem to leave. Your rabbis will protect you! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
What an uneducated moron! This is what R' Nuchem is talking about! You have hundreds and Hundreds of people that are uneducated, and have no goal in life and they are behaving like wild animals. Approaching a 19 year old girl and asking for FUN (sex) “you make me hot!” OMG!
Where do you get the nerve to stop in middle of a street and request sex from a stranger! This didn't happen in Harlem and it didn’t happen in Bedsty, it happened in THE CENTER OF BORO PARK in BROAD DAYLIGHT!
I would put up one million dollars against your one dollar that the individual in this video was somehow molested. But let’s not do anything, lets not wait until he bumps into your 16 year old daughter waiting in your car and can’t control himself and rapes her. When that happens, lets go to the Rabbi, and if it happens five more times then we will go to the USA courts!
Keep asking For Rabbi Nuchem to leave. Your rabbis will protect you! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Talk about a Chillul Hashem
Here are two articles from the local papers in NJ regarding the child abuse problem in the Lakewood community. There is no bigger “Chillul hashem” in the world, as to the secular media discussing how rabbis protect molesters. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
I really don’t get it! What’s the difference between a murderer and a molestor? Can someone educate me? Would you hesitate for one second in giving up a murderer? Our kids are not worth as much as a 40 year old man who got killed? I really don’t get your way of thinking? This is SHFICHAS DUMIM at its worse and there is even a debate if you can go to court? Why don’t you wait till the murderer kills at least 50-60 people, so we know FOR SURE that he really is a murderer? You see: after 10-12 killings lets just send him to Bet –Din and they will counsel him, advice him, rehabilitate him and get him back to mingle with society, and THEN if he kills 20-30 more than lets send him to court. But not after ONLY 10-12 killings send him to Jail. Come on! We must follow the Torah! Do I sound like a moron? I HOPE SO! Hence, you see exactly what you guys sound like!
Ok read on guys, I must take a break I am having palpitations!
Sex abuse cases must be reported to law enforcement
For too many years, cases of child sex abuse in Lakewood's Orthodox Jewish community have been handled internally by religious leaders rather than by law enforcement authorities. Consequently, victims have been denied justice. Ocean County Prosecutor Marlene Lynch Ford has called this unacceptable status quo "the wall of silence." Despite the promises of religious leaders to work more closely with law enforcement, there is evidence of a widening rift within the Orthodox community.
As reported in Sunday's Asbury Park Press, some believe that a father who reported the possible sexual abuse of his 11-year-old son to police, rather than seeking permission from rabbis to do so, had committed "a terrible deed. "Nine Lakewood rabbis signed a proclamation this summer instructing people to bring allegations of abuse to a rabbinical tribunal before going to the police. Nonsense. These tribunals lack the investigative wherewithal and any judicial authority to handle such cases. It could be argued that those who would espouse such a course of action are missing any sense of justice. But more to the point, the crime of child sexual abuse is so vile, by any standard, that there should be no negotiating on how the Orthodox community handles it. According to state law, the crime must be reported to secular authorities.
The Prosecutor's Office must continue to hammer home the fact that this failure to report such crimes is in itself illegal, notwithstanding the so-called cleric-penitent privilege. Surely, most in the Orthodox community understand that adults are entrusted to keep children safe from harm. Statistics show that child molestation is no more common in Orthodox communities than elsewhere. But when sexual abuse is covered up or seen as unworthy of reporting to secular authorities, the damage to the child — and to the credibility of the faithful — is incalculable.
"Orthodox community deals with sex abuse,"
Far too often, cases of sexual abuse are handled internally through a rabbinical tribunal that routinely handles civil disputes but deals with possible cases of sexual abuse as well. The Orthodox community lacks the investigative and judicial powers to issue sentences, weed out false accusations and monitor offenders.
The most the rabbinic tribunals can accomplish is to urge therapy for the abuser. That's not justice for the victim. And it may be against the law. A therapist in Brooklyn's Orthodox community for more than eight years who has treated sex offenders referred by Lakewood religious authorities said he could not recall one instance when a rabbi referred a case to law enforcement officials.
Religious authorities say they do what is necessary to rid the community of sex offenders swiftly, but it is typically done outside the framework of secular law. The rabbinic leaders must send an unequivocal message to the Orthodox community that incidents of sexual abuse must be reported to the appropriate authorities. And that point must be reinforced by the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office.
First Amendment freedoms to practice one's faith are not absolute, particularly when it puts the most vulnerable citizens at risk for irreparable physical and emotional harm. One would think that a community dedicated to Torah law would recognize the limits of that law in dealing with criminal matters and welcome the legal means to get child sexual abusers out of their communities and into the arms of the law.
State law requires anyone with "reasonable" suspicions to report acts of child abuse to the police or the state Division of Youth and Family Services. That law runs up against a different law, the Cleric-Penitent Privilege, which requires clerics such as rabbis to keep privileged any communication made in confidence unless both he and the person who did the confiding agree to release it or the information pertains to a future criminal act.
Given the rate of recidivism among sex offenders, a single confessed incident of abuse can reasonably hint at an ongoing pattern of abuse with a widening circle of victims. This sounds remarkably similar to Catholic priest scandals, where pedophile priests were counseled and transferred without ever facing the law.
If, as Job says, it is God who "reveals the deep things of darkness and brings deep shadows into the light," then those who believe in him must do the same work of bringing light out of the shadows. Secular law has the means to do just that and the rabbinic leadership needs to encourage members of the community to speak up without fear.
If the Orthodox community believes that playing cases of sexual abuse so close to the vest is a proper response, that's beyond troubling.
Lakewood! you make us proud!
I really don’t get it! What’s the difference between a murderer and a molestor? Can someone educate me? Would you hesitate for one second in giving up a murderer? Our kids are not worth as much as a 40 year old man who got killed? I really don’t get your way of thinking? This is SHFICHAS DUMIM at its worse and there is even a debate if you can go to court? Why don’t you wait till the murderer kills at least 50-60 people, so we know FOR SURE that he really is a murderer? You see: after 10-12 killings lets just send him to Bet –Din and they will counsel him, advice him, rehabilitate him and get him back to mingle with society, and THEN if he kills 20-30 more than lets send him to court. But not after ONLY 10-12 killings send him to Jail. Come on! We must follow the Torah! Do I sound like a moron? I HOPE SO! Hence, you see exactly what you guys sound like!
Ok read on guys, I must take a break I am having palpitations!
Sex abuse cases must be reported to law enforcement
For too many years, cases of child sex abuse in Lakewood's Orthodox Jewish community have been handled internally by religious leaders rather than by law enforcement authorities. Consequently, victims have been denied justice. Ocean County Prosecutor Marlene Lynch Ford has called this unacceptable status quo "the wall of silence." Despite the promises of religious leaders to work more closely with law enforcement, there is evidence of a widening rift within the Orthodox community.
As reported in Sunday's Asbury Park Press, some believe that a father who reported the possible sexual abuse of his 11-year-old son to police, rather than seeking permission from rabbis to do so, had committed "a terrible deed. "Nine Lakewood rabbis signed a proclamation this summer instructing people to bring allegations of abuse to a rabbinical tribunal before going to the police. Nonsense. These tribunals lack the investigative wherewithal and any judicial authority to handle such cases. It could be argued that those who would espouse such a course of action are missing any sense of justice. But more to the point, the crime of child sexual abuse is so vile, by any standard, that there should be no negotiating on how the Orthodox community handles it. According to state law, the crime must be reported to secular authorities.
The Prosecutor's Office must continue to hammer home the fact that this failure to report such crimes is in itself illegal, notwithstanding the so-called cleric-penitent privilege. Surely, most in the Orthodox community understand that adults are entrusted to keep children safe from harm. Statistics show that child molestation is no more common in Orthodox communities than elsewhere. But when sexual abuse is covered up or seen as unworthy of reporting to secular authorities, the damage to the child — and to the credibility of the faithful — is incalculable.
"Orthodox community deals with sex abuse,"
Far too often, cases of sexual abuse are handled internally through a rabbinical tribunal that routinely handles civil disputes but deals with possible cases of sexual abuse as well. The Orthodox community lacks the investigative and judicial powers to issue sentences, weed out false accusations and monitor offenders.
The most the rabbinic tribunals can accomplish is to urge therapy for the abuser. That's not justice for the victim. And it may be against the law. A therapist in Brooklyn's Orthodox community for more than eight years who has treated sex offenders referred by Lakewood religious authorities said he could not recall one instance when a rabbi referred a case to law enforcement officials.
Religious authorities say they do what is necessary to rid the community of sex offenders swiftly, but it is typically done outside the framework of secular law. The rabbinic leaders must send an unequivocal message to the Orthodox community that incidents of sexual abuse must be reported to the appropriate authorities. And that point must be reinforced by the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office.
First Amendment freedoms to practice one's faith are not absolute, particularly when it puts the most vulnerable citizens at risk for irreparable physical and emotional harm. One would think that a community dedicated to Torah law would recognize the limits of that law in dealing with criminal matters and welcome the legal means to get child sexual abusers out of their communities and into the arms of the law.
State law requires anyone with "reasonable" suspicions to report acts of child abuse to the police or the state Division of Youth and Family Services. That law runs up against a different law, the Cleric-Penitent Privilege, which requires clerics such as rabbis to keep privileged any communication made in confidence unless both he and the person who did the confiding agree to release it or the information pertains to a future criminal act.
Given the rate of recidivism among sex offenders, a single confessed incident of abuse can reasonably hint at an ongoing pattern of abuse with a widening circle of victims. This sounds remarkably similar to Catholic priest scandals, where pedophile priests were counseled and transferred without ever facing the law.
If, as Job says, it is God who "reveals the deep things of darkness and brings deep shadows into the light," then those who believe in him must do the same work of bringing light out of the shadows. Secular law has the means to do just that and the rabbinic leadership needs to encourage members of the community to speak up without fear.
If the Orthodox community believes that playing cases of sexual abuse so close to the vest is a proper response, that's beyond troubling.
Lakewood! you make us proud!
Agenda! Agenda! Agenda!
Do you remember when the democrats went on TV that famous Sunday and they all had a new word “Gravitates”, it was blatantly apparent that at their meetings they all decided to use that word to make a point for President Clinton. Well, these clowns at “getrid” had a meeting and looked up a new word “Agenda” (took them a week to spell it right, but they got it down now) and every one has an agenda. The Rabbi has an agenda, Ms. Vicki Pollin has an Agenda, The NY Post has an agenda, Assemblyman Dov Hikind has an agenda, and everyone disagreeing with their despicable point of view has an agenda.
Another thing they are very much worried about is “Chillul hashem”. Rabbi Rosenberg is making a Chillul Hashem, His supporters are making a chillul hashem
The last thing they have an issue with. "Look who Rabbi Rosenberg is surrounded with". They are all lowlifes, they are all “Off the Derech” (as they are the ones to decide what the derech is) and they are “not in our community anymore” and “they don’t know our community”
OH my god! This is too easy! I opened this blog to work hard, fight back and have a rational debate. I assumed that it will take hours of work to respond to these jokers and they have some concrete evidence in their arsenal that I will have to do research and fight back. My 18-month old little girl would make squash out of you guys!
Well Let me first discuss the last two points they argue (Chilul hashem and Off the Derech) and then we will get back to the main point of “Agenda”
Chillul Hashem:
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem then opening the USA Govt. website and see pictures of people with yarlmukas and Payious on the list.
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem than people seeing Orthdox rabbis trying to whitewash molesters and look the other way
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem Than keeping in your yeshivas Molesters and abusers on your payroll as nothing happened
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem than when there is finally a man standing up for the kids, and EVERY SINGLE FRUM Rabbi, signs a despicable isolation notice against him!
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem than seeing Rabbis with long beards walking through the court systems and shaming our community
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem than Mr. Charley Hynes having to constantly make press conferences on the subject of “Abuse in the orthdox community”
It is despicable that you have the galls of using the words “Chillul Hashem” on your blog! Your blog is the biggest “Chillul hashem” of all the above! To see people IN OUR COMMUNITY take the time to make a blog of a holy rabbi who dedicates his life to fight pedophilia and you are trying to disturb his progress (Which will never happen).
You are a shame to OUR community. Yes I am in the community, and I live in Brooklyn (Williamsburg) and I was brought up in the system and I was NOT abused , but have plenty of friends that were abused. And they were turned away and even got punished by their principals for talking such non sense and accusing someone in the yeshiva of fondling them!
OFF THE DERECH
The term off the derech has a lot to be scrutinized and examined, but I will give you the benefit of going with your translation of the meaning “Off-The-Derech”
Talking about Chutzpah! These kids are off because of the abuse they received in OUR schools, and you turn around and discredit them for being OFF-THE-DERECH! Are you kidding me? It reminds me of a particular regime back in the 1930s
You took two kids like Joel Engleman and Joe Diangeles who were innocent sweet little kinderlach and were raped and abused by our system, and had their world turned over upside-down, and you hold it against them? Are you for real? HOW DARE YOU? OUR system made them into what they are today! For every Joel Engleman, there are 500 “Hidden Joel Englemans” in the system right now, that cant sleep at night because of the torture they have in their innocent little minds and they have no outlet to go to!
GOD BLESS RABBI ROSENBERG for helping these kids stays sane!
GOD BLESS RABBI ROSENBERG for having the guts to single handedly heal these lost souls!
GOD BLESS RABBI ROSENBERG for defying the rabbis who want to hide this disease and taking a bullet (Literally) for his holy work!
GOD BLESS RABBI ROSENBERG for being the ONLY MAN helping our youth
Do I still need to cover the topic of AGENDA? I don’t think so!
Another thing they are very much worried about is “Chillul hashem”. Rabbi Rosenberg is making a Chillul Hashem, His supporters are making a chillul hashem
The last thing they have an issue with. "Look who Rabbi Rosenberg is surrounded with". They are all lowlifes, they are all “Off the Derech” (as they are the ones to decide what the derech is) and they are “not in our community anymore” and “they don’t know our community”
OH my god! This is too easy! I opened this blog to work hard, fight back and have a rational debate. I assumed that it will take hours of work to respond to these jokers and they have some concrete evidence in their arsenal that I will have to do research and fight back. My 18-month old little girl would make squash out of you guys!
Well Let me first discuss the last two points they argue (Chilul hashem and Off the Derech) and then we will get back to the main point of “Agenda”
Chillul Hashem:
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem then opening the USA Govt. website and see pictures of people with yarlmukas and Payious on the list.
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem than people seeing Orthdox rabbis trying to whitewash molesters and look the other way
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem Than keeping in your yeshivas Molesters and abusers on your payroll as nothing happened
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem than when there is finally a man standing up for the kids, and EVERY SINGLE FRUM Rabbi, signs a despicable isolation notice against him!
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem than seeing Rabbis with long beards walking through the court systems and shaming our community
Show me a bigger Chillul Hashem than Mr. Charley Hynes having to constantly make press conferences on the subject of “Abuse in the orthdox community”
It is despicable that you have the galls of using the words “Chillul Hashem” on your blog! Your blog is the biggest “Chillul hashem” of all the above! To see people IN OUR COMMUNITY take the time to make a blog of a holy rabbi who dedicates his life to fight pedophilia and you are trying to disturb his progress (Which will never happen).
You are a shame to OUR community. Yes I am in the community, and I live in Brooklyn (Williamsburg) and I was brought up in the system and I was NOT abused , but have plenty of friends that were abused. And they were turned away and even got punished by their principals for talking such non sense and accusing someone in the yeshiva of fondling them!
OFF THE DERECH
The term off the derech has a lot to be scrutinized and examined, but I will give you the benefit of going with your translation of the meaning “Off-The-Derech”
Talking about Chutzpah! These kids are off because of the abuse they received in OUR schools, and you turn around and discredit them for being OFF-THE-DERECH! Are you kidding me? It reminds me of a particular regime back in the 1930s
You took two kids like Joel Engleman and Joe Diangeles who were innocent sweet little kinderlach and were raped and abused by our system, and had their world turned over upside-down, and you hold it against them? Are you for real? HOW DARE YOU? OUR system made them into what they are today! For every Joel Engleman, there are 500 “Hidden Joel Englemans” in the system right now, that cant sleep at night because of the torture they have in their innocent little minds and they have no outlet to go to!
GOD BLESS RABBI ROSENBERG for helping these kids stays sane!
GOD BLESS RABBI ROSENBERG for having the guts to single handedly heal these lost souls!
GOD BLESS RABBI ROSENBERG for defying the rabbis who want to hide this disease and taking a bullet (Literally) for his holy work!
GOD BLESS RABBI ROSENBERG for being the ONLY MAN helping our youth
Do I still need to cover the topic of AGENDA? I don’t think so!
Tuesday, August 24, 2010
The rabbi is overdoing it!
It is just absolute idiocy and absurdity to see to what extent people will bend the truth, and say anything just to make a point. While, accusing Rabbi Rosenberg of doing just that!
These are the lines they have been using from the very beginning, while maintaining that they are in support of punishing molesters, but of course they have no solution on how to deal with them. (Of course they have a solution! They have been doing it for 25 years. It’s called JUST LOOK AWAY!)
Excuse #1 Rabbi Nuchem has a personal agenda
Excuse #2 Rabbi Nuchem exaggerates the problem; it’s not really that bad
Excuse #3 Leave it to the professionals
Excuse #4 The dog ate the homework (or any other non-sense)
For starters, here is a web site that every responsible parent should check twice a week
http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/SomsSUBDirectory/search_index.jsp - Check to see, who in your neighborhood is registered on this site. Make sure that you know how to protect your kids. Once you have done that, I don’t believe you will say "personal agenda" ever again!
What a shame it is to see these names in our community! What a degradation to see pictures of Religious guys registered on a site like this. You want to leave it to the professionals? 25 years of “doing nothing” is not long enough? WAKE UP GUYS! We got a man who dedicated himself, his family and his life to help you out, and you complain? You should kiss his feet every day for keeping your “little kinderlach” safe!
These are the lines they have been using from the very beginning, while maintaining that they are in support of punishing molesters, but of course they have no solution on how to deal with them. (Of course they have a solution! They have been doing it for 25 years. It’s called JUST LOOK AWAY!)
Excuse #1 Rabbi Nuchem has a personal agenda
Excuse #2 Rabbi Nuchem exaggerates the problem; it’s not really that bad
Excuse #3 Leave it to the professionals
Excuse #4 The dog ate the homework (or any other non-sense)
For starters, here is a web site that every responsible parent should check twice a week
http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/SomsSUBDirectory/search_index.jsp - Check to see, who in your neighborhood is registered on this site. Make sure that you know how to protect your kids. Once you have done that, I don’t believe you will say "personal agenda" ever again!
What a shame it is to see these names in our community! What a degradation to see pictures of Religious guys registered on a site like this. You want to leave it to the professionals? 25 years of “doing nothing” is not long enough? WAKE UP GUYS! We got a man who dedicated himself, his family and his life to help you out, and you complain? You should kiss his feet every day for keeping your “little kinderlach” safe!
Warning! Dangerous curves ahead!
We're going to take an in-depth look, one by one on each subject this so called “daas torah” pedophiles have posted, and show you exactly what the "real" case was all about and prove to you that Rabbi Nuchem is not picking on innocent people as they claim.
You dummies! There are so many molesters in our community (Nebech), why would he need to pick on innocent people, when the Rabbi does not have enough time to follow up on the real molesters! You think you are hurting him? You are hurting yourselves and your kids! He is doing you a favor and protecting YOUR community at no charge, since no one else has the right mind or the guts to do it for you!
Talk to the victims of these molesters and see how they feel about R’ Nuchem. Ask them what kind of man the Rabbi is? Ask them where they would end up without the Rabbis help? Ask them where the only source of support came to them? Ask them which other Rabbi helped them when they needed them most? Ask them how they felt at their most vulnerable time and everyone looked away? They can’t thank him enough for the hundreds of hours he gave them away for nothing else but to help them. You never know when your family member will be a victim, and you will feel helpless because there is not one rabbi in your community who wants to get involved.
This "Daas Torah" junkies, sophisticatedly decided which case to discuss and which one not to discuss (and they have the gall and chutzpah of calling Rabbi Rosenberg a pick-and-choose Rabbi) and brought nothing to the table to prove their case other than the favorite Clinton evidence, Deny, Deny, Deny!
Well, you wanted a rebuttal, here we are. We will bring you a rebuttal for EVERY SINGLE case! And we will not hold back at all. We will see how innocent your “innocent victims” are.
And you will have an opportunity to respond freely on our site, with out moderation approval. We are not afraid of a response. We are not hiding the emails we don’t want the public to see. We are not sensoring the comments from our audience. We are not claiming (like you do) to post both sides of the spectrum, when all our comments we sent to you were not posted.
So far you guys have been ALL TALK. We will prove this! We will show you that! We will bring a lawsuit here! WE will bring a lawsuit there!
You guys are a joke and a disgrace !
You dummies! There are so many molesters in our community (Nebech), why would he need to pick on innocent people, when the Rabbi does not have enough time to follow up on the real molesters! You think you are hurting him? You are hurting yourselves and your kids! He is doing you a favor and protecting YOUR community at no charge, since no one else has the right mind or the guts to do it for you!
Talk to the victims of these molesters and see how they feel about R’ Nuchem. Ask them what kind of man the Rabbi is? Ask them where they would end up without the Rabbis help? Ask them where the only source of support came to them? Ask them which other Rabbi helped them when they needed them most? Ask them how they felt at their most vulnerable time and everyone looked away? They can’t thank him enough for the hundreds of hours he gave them away for nothing else but to help them. You never know when your family member will be a victim, and you will feel helpless because there is not one rabbi in your community who wants to get involved.
This "Daas Torah" junkies, sophisticatedly decided which case to discuss and which one not to discuss (and they have the gall and chutzpah of calling Rabbi Rosenberg a pick-and-choose Rabbi) and brought nothing to the table to prove their case other than the favorite Clinton evidence, Deny, Deny, Deny!
Well, you wanted a rebuttal, here we are. We will bring you a rebuttal for EVERY SINGLE case! And we will not hold back at all. We will see how innocent your “innocent victims” are.
And you will have an opportunity to respond freely on our site, with out moderation approval. We are not afraid of a response. We are not hiding the emails we don’t want the public to see. We are not sensoring the comments from our audience. We are not claiming (like you do) to post both sides of the spectrum, when all our comments we sent to you were not posted.
So far you guys have been ALL TALK. We will prove this! We will show you that! We will bring a lawsuit here! WE will bring a lawsuit there!
You guys are a joke and a disgrace !
98% is with you, Rabbi! (the 2% are in jail or on the way there)
So they want proof! Ok, you mention where and what you want proof, and we will supply it. You see guys; the rabbi will not give you the time of the day, because he has more important things to do with his time, like making sure all molesters are accounted for, and put in to jail, as you see in this video, what he did with your hero Lebowits.
Rabbi Rosenberg does not get paid for this! Rabbi Rosenberg does not get compensated for this! Rabbi Rosenberg was kicked out of every synagogue for this! Rabbi Rosenberg gets abused in his own community from perverts and abusers all the time. The obvious question is what normal guy what continue fighting for the cause, when all they get paid back in return, is abuse? And the answer is “ Only a committed man like Rabbi Rosenberg who could not care less what everyone else says, or the abuse he gets from you idiots, only a man who really means it for the reason he claims he is doing it, only such a man would do such holy work"
Instead of saying Thank you Rabbi for giving us a voice and Thank you rabbi for doing a job that all of us should be doing and Thank you rabbi for proecting our children from molesters and Sorry Rabbi that you are being isolated from the community and Sorry rabbi that we don’t have the guts and courage that you have and Sorry rabbi you had to sacrifice everything in your life. You guys opened a blog to smear him? You guys opened a blog to embarrass him? You guys opened a blog full of lies with no proof at all? You guys opened a blog where the admin must approve the comments you write? You guys are afraid to hear the REAL OPINION of the people?
SHAME ON YOU! YOU WILL ALL BE EXPOSED FOR YOUR LIES!
Rabbi Rosenberg does not get paid for this! Rabbi Rosenberg does not get compensated for this! Rabbi Rosenberg was kicked out of every synagogue for this! Rabbi Rosenberg gets abused in his own community from perverts and abusers all the time. The obvious question is what normal guy what continue fighting for the cause, when all they get paid back in return, is abuse? And the answer is “ Only a committed man like Rabbi Rosenberg who could not care less what everyone else says, or the abuse he gets from you idiots, only a man who really means it for the reason he claims he is doing it, only such a man would do such holy work"
Instead of saying Thank you Rabbi for giving us a voice and Thank you rabbi for doing a job that all of us should be doing and Thank you rabbi for proecting our children from molesters and Sorry Rabbi that you are being isolated from the community and Sorry rabbi that we don’t have the guts and courage that you have and Sorry rabbi you had to sacrifice everything in your life. You guys opened a blog to smear him? You guys opened a blog to embarrass him? You guys opened a blog full of lies with no proof at all? You guys opened a blog where the admin must approve the comments you write? You guys are afraid to hear the REAL OPINION of the people?
SHAME ON YOU! YOU WILL ALL BE EXPOSED FOR YOUR LIES!
Introduction
A new group of molesters have opened a blog against the world known hero and Rabbi who has put his life in danger for the sake of our kids and our community.
We will defend the honor of this Rabbi, of this holy man who has the courage to sacrifice his life for the sake of the Jewish youth. We will not be terrorized by two people who write a blog and think they will stop the holy work of the Rabbi. No one is buying their crap anyways, and the facts are known to everyone.
Fact #1. Until Rabbi Rosenberg spoke out about molesters and abusers, there was a free-for-all in the community. People were abused in the open, molesters were not even ashamed of it, and they knew no one is out to get them.
Fact #2. Kids were in danger and had no voice! Since the Rabbi started his campaign, kids are coming forward in record numbers.
Fact #3. The government numbers are backing up the holy work of the Rabbi. You can say all the lies you guys want on your silly blog, the facts still are, that people are arrested every day, the schools are safer since then and most of all BARUCH M. LEBOWITZ is a CONVICTED molester and got 32 years in jail. He is not AN ALLEGED molester, he is a CONVICTED molester.
Now you challenged people to discuss any story? OK we are ready to discuss Lebowitz, Kolko, Mandrowitz, Daskalowitz or any other case you feel like. Just tell us where and when.
We will defend the honor of this Rabbi, of this holy man who has the courage to sacrifice his life for the sake of the Jewish youth. We will not be terrorized by two people who write a blog and think they will stop the holy work of the Rabbi. No one is buying their crap anyways, and the facts are known to everyone.
Fact #1. Until Rabbi Rosenberg spoke out about molesters and abusers, there was a free-for-all in the community. People were abused in the open, molesters were not even ashamed of it, and they knew no one is out to get them.
Fact #2. Kids were in danger and had no voice! Since the Rabbi started his campaign, kids are coming forward in record numbers.
Fact #3. The government numbers are backing up the holy work of the Rabbi. You can say all the lies you guys want on your silly blog, the facts still are, that people are arrested every day, the schools are safer since then and most of all BARUCH M. LEBOWITZ is a CONVICTED molester and got 32 years in jail. He is not AN ALLEGED molester, he is a CONVICTED molester.
Now you challenged people to discuss any story? OK we are ready to discuss Lebowitz, Kolko, Mandrowitz, Daskalowitz or any other case you feel like. Just tell us where and when.
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